Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Packy (musician)


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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:23, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Packy (musician)

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The article and most of its references are about the band, not the individual member of the band, but neither is notable yet per WP:MUSICBIO. The band were briefly signed by a Sony subsidiary, which never released anything from them. No significant coverage online from WP:Reliable sources, apart from some local coverage from their hometown paper. Evident WP:COI by article creator. Uncle Roy (talk) 10:05, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Uncle Roy (talk) 10:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. Uncle Roy (talk) 10:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   11:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


 * You appear to be mistaken. First, for half of his career, he operated under the name of a band, but then later had a name change to become just "Packy". They are not two separate entities, but one which has undergone a name change. So, it makes sense that much of his page, just like much of his life, is under a band name. Second, I have no conflict of interest, as I have never once seen or spoken to Packy in real life. He does not employ me. He does not pay me. I am not a family member or friend. I am solely a fan of his music. Third, their music HAS reached the Billboard charts (see here, here, and here). As far as I can tell, per WP:MUSICBIO guidelines, this fulfills the second guideline about having music on national charts, which includes BillBoard charts. SpeckHelper (talk) 18:01, 25 May 2017 (UTC)SpeckHelper


 * Delete - I largely agree with, this is borderline but I'm leaning towards it fails WP:MUSICBIO. There is limited coverage in the local paper for them but not enough to justify notability. --  Dane  talk  21:00, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Doesn't charting on the BillBoard charts account for notability? The second item in the list for WP:MUSICBIO says charting, which includes BillBoard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpeckHelper (talk • contribs) 21:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Currently the article mentions the iTunes charts, not Billboard (although I see the links above, they need to be in the article to be relevant). Also, I would argue that it's still borderline as that's for the ensemble and not the individual rapper. --  Dane  talk  22:12, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * So then if I wanted to make a page regarding this rapper, would it be best if I made a page specifically for the label that pushed out this music (and list Packy as an artist that is a part of the label), as technically they have had their music reach the charts, and not this rapper by his current name? SpeckHelper (talk) 22:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * @SpeckHelper You wrote above:
 * "First, for half of his career, he operated under the name of a band, but then later had a name change to become just "Packy". They are not two separate entities, but one which has undergone a name change."
 * But that's not what the article says:
 * "For much of his childhood, he grew up in a neighborhood called Groesbeck. He and his friend group nicknamed themselves "The Specktators", which he and Moe-T would eventually use as their stage name."' ... "Packy began his musical career in Lansing, Michigan operating under the group name, "The Specktators". The musical duo was formed by Packy and his brother, Matt "Moe-T" Duda."
 * Now it's true that I somehow missed The Specktators charting on Billboard before nominating this article for deletion, so what I wrote in the nomination rationale above about that band also failing WP:MUSICBIO is wrong in that respect. So per item #2 of WP:MUSICBIO, there's a case for an article about them, with Packy (musician) redirected to that article. We could move this article to The Specktators, and edit it accordingly to be about them, with a mention of Packy's subsequent solo work. Uncle Roy (talk) 04:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, that sounds fair to me. Also, just for technicalities sake, under "Life and Career" and "2014-Present", I did write this:
 * "On June 11, 2014, Packy and Moe-T announced that they would not be using the stage name, "The Specktators", anymore, but instead would use that name to create their own independent record label, "The Specktators Collective". Packy would perform under his nickname, while Moe-T would become the CEO of The Specktators Collective. This was done so that the duo would have the opportunity to sign their own artists and to promote Packy more efficiently."
 * I'm still learning about making pages on Wikipedia, so how should I make the page? Should I just paste over all the old work from Packy (musician) to the page for The Specktators? I'd love to get your opinion on how I should handle this. Thanks!
 * No, we should move the page, please don't copy and paste to the new name. And we need to wait for the outcome of this discussion first, to see what other editors think, before doing any page moves. Uncle Roy (talk) 04:27, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * delete Insufficient depth and breadth of coverage. Mostly sourced from Instagram and shall we say a source connected w. the subject. what independent sources there are are still insufficient.Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - GNG not met. If you have to write your own Wikipedia article, it usually means you don't meet the guidelines for a Wikipedia article. Exemplo347 (talk) 20:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


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