Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paco Zamora


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The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 08:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Paco Zamora

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Previously PRODed, so AFD is the correct venue. I have not been able to locate any evidence that he meets WP:ENTERTAINER (there would be at least a few sources if he has "a large fan base or a significant "cult" following" or "made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment") or the primary criteria at WP:N in that there are not enough reliable sources to write a fair and balanced article on him with verifiable information. I am open to having my mind changed on this article, particularly as there is a potential for a language/resource barrier. As it stands, however, it does not appear to meet the WP:N standard (non-trivial coverage in multiple, reliable, third party sources) and nothing aside from a list of his films can be verified about him.

I do realize that Google searching turns up results, but few of them actually relate to this individual. If there was a little more information than just a copy of his IMDB profile, I might support a merge to Cinema of the Philippines but, as it stands now, that would be kind of pointless. Cheers, CP 20:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * SPEEDY DELETE This man is a contemporary of Oscar del Rosario (see: Articles for deletion/Óscar del Rosario), and like del Rosario, he was born in 1905, entered films back before "talkies", survived the Japanesse Occupation of the Phillipines, and created a film career among the grief of war. His early film career will be impossible to source as almost all such hardcopy verifications were destoyed during that occupation. What records of his existance survive that pre-1945 time are based only upon those evidences that existed and survived outside the Philipines. The Oscar del Rosario article was cut/pasted from WikiPilipinas. The Paco Zamora article is a cut/paste as well. Though there is apparently less concern at WikipiliPinas for sourcing... that is no excuse to move those articles over here without consideration of sources. There could be sources in Tagalog... but why bring it here? There should be no time wasted in discussions at AfD... as this is indentical situation in all but name to the deletion of Óscar del Rosario and will suffer the same fate. I admire these men and what they endured. Pity that Wikipedia will not be part of their legacy.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See Verifiability - Tagalog sources would be acceptable if English ones can't be found. the wub "?!"  11:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * So okay.. where are the Tagolog-reading editors? A little help... ?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  11:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment WikiPilipinas copied its articles from Wikipedia under GFDL. It would be a bad idea to source an article using WikiPilipinas alone. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 15:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree and that's why I said Speedy. If its there... fine... their choice. If its here, sources have been lost to time and war... and although one can claim notability is not temporary, and although this person may have goten a great deal of press back before WW2... such sources are difficult, if not impossible, to find in English... cannot now be shown to have existed (although logic would dictate they once did) and the article cannot stay on Wiki English with only an AGF that sources might have once existed. And I'll double-check the article dates to see just who coppied from whom.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And yes... the various articles on Filipino actors/directors have been here since 2006 and were cut/pasted to WikiPilipinas in 2007. At least the Paco Zamora article will survive there when it gets deleted here, as there is a pride there in the accomplishments of one's fellow citizens surviving great hardship that give make it for them worth including. Wikipedia encourages WP:IAR, and even grants that in some cases exceptions may be made in the guidelines for the further improving of Wiki... but I do not think this will survive the AfD... no more than did the article on Oscar del Rosario.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as failing verifiability. If sources exist, then it can be recreated, but wikipedia isn't a memorial for alleged war survivors who allegedly made some films. Being in a war does not make one inherently notable, or most of the worlds population could have articles; sources are needed here the same as all other articles, especially controversial biographies.Yobmod (talk) 16:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


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