Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Painting With


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Overall consensus is to leep (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 00:32, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Painting With

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This album has not been confirmed at all by the band and is purely speculation, hence the album violates WP:CRYSTAL. See WP:NALBUMS for more. AssortedLiquorice (talk) 23:17, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nominator. However, I am not sure why nominator declined PROD just to turn around and take it to AfD. Typically, if you support deletion, you should wait and see if the PROD is unchallenged and the article is deleted. If the PROD is declined by a supporter of the article, then you should nominate for AfD. But I don't see the logic in declining PROD yourself and taking to AfD. Safiel (talk) 23:30, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, originally I proposed speedy deletion and that was declined, so I thought Afd would be faster than PROD since PROD takes at least seven days, and I wasn't sure how long Afd takes. Since this article is purely speculation I thought Afd would be faster. AssortedLiquorice (talk) 10:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just found out that Afd also usually takes seven days. Great. AssortedLiquorice (talk) 11:11, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep or redirect Keep WP:NALBUMS states that criteria involves: "...the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble who created it." There are four references to the article, but it's obvious that that number will grow exponentially over the next few days. WP:CRYSTAL states: "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. ... Although Wikipedia includes up-to-date knowledge about newly revealed products, short articles that consist only of product announcement information are not appropriate." The article contains more than the album's announcement. It states its public debut at the Baltimore-Washington International Airport, when/where the album was recorded, and its first single to be released. Hardly just "this band is releasing a new album maybe soon".--Ilovetopaint (talk) 00:47, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Article slightly expanded. The album Painting With was confirmed to be a real Animal Collective album of new material when it was listed in databases — accessed through searching for a real Animal Collective album of new material. An official statement by the band would be redundant of its notability.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 01:24, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:NALBUMS also states "generally, an album should not have an independent article until its title, track listing and release date have all been publicly confirmed by the artist or their record label". None of these have been confirmed. AssortedLiquorice (talk) 10:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You got me there --Ilovetopaint (talk) 11:17, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. I would suggest just moving to draft until it's confirmed, which likely will not be long. --Michig (talk) 08:26, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This seems like the best solution. Can we just speedily move it to draft space?  It seems silly to create an article based on rumors from Reddit, but deleting the article might not accomplish much if it's confirmed in the next few days. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:36, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete or Userfy (or Draftify) - WP:TOOSOON. It looks like there's an album coming, but beyond that we just have speculation -- including the title and tracklist. Even if we knew those details were true, there's nothing to say about this yet because it doesn't exist yet. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 15:27, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - changed from delete/userfy given 's links showing it's now been announced. In this case it was fast, but I hope this doesn't appear to be justification for creating articles about upcoming albums, though. For every one that's announced arbitrarily during the course of deletion there are several that wind up being wrong, mistitled, based on speculation, canceled, non-notable, etc. It's pretty clear at this point, however, that this one will pass WP:NALBUM, and now that we do have hard information we might as well keep. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 17:32, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. &mdash;  Rhododendrites  talk  \\ 15:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep or Redirect. Let's not waste time here. Just keep or redirect to the artist's article until the album meets notability threshold. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:29, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with "let's not waste time", hence not creating an article to begin with about an article for which we don't even know the title. The title is based on "fans speculating on Reddit" who "unearthed details listed on Sony's Track ID system of the track listing, the cover art and also the potential title". With no actual acknowledgment from the band, no actual album, and no hard information whatsoever, the only time wasted is not snow deleting/userfying this until it's released. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 18:03, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: Let's try to improve the article rather than dispose of it. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:15, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:ILIKEIT isn't really an argument for keeping. Thoughts on the name, etc. not having been confirmed by the band (see above)? &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 05:28, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Everything about the album that is known is already in.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 08:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: The band has now officially announced the album, and it's been reported by news outlets such as Pitchfork. - Katanin (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: For the same reason as above. Enough of the details surrounding the album have been confirmed. The evacipated (talk) 02:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: Further proof of the album's existence is here with the first single released on their official YouTube channel, including links to pre-order the album and a release date in the description. Nksor (talk) 14:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.