Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pakistan–Paraguay relations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. for this article to be notable there have to be sufficient sources that discuss Pakistan - Paraguay relations as a specific subject otherwise the article is just OR and/or unveriable. The keep arguments haven't addressed this and deleteion arguments based on GNG therefore appear policy based. Spartaz Humbug! 21:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Pakistan–Paraguay relations

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this really is pushing the bar for any sort of notability. 2 of the 3 sources merely confirm non resident embassies (the fact that Paraguay's Egypt embassy looks after Pakistan says something. the article goes on about Pakistan-MERCOSUR relations not specific bilateral relations. I've found no coverage of these bilateral relations . those wanting to keep should supply actual evidence of relations. LibStar (talk) 04:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I do agree that the relationship may not be "significant", however, I would like to point out that information in this page has "weight," and confines with Wikipedia original philosophy of providing the sum of all human knowledge. Paraguay has a small diplomatic footprint across the globe, one embassy usually caters for a dozen or more countries particularly in Asia and Africa. Pakistan has had a consulate in Asuncion since over 40 plus years to cater to its small community, while having embassies in Brazil and Argentina. Also, please note that many major countries dont even have embassies in Paraguay due to its small size and instead opt to have non-resident ambassadors. If there are any concerns regarding the quality of the article, then a better purpose can be served by requesting to "edit" the page rather then "deleting" the page.Whoisthebest123 (talk) 02:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC) — Whoisthebest123 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * coverage in third party sources in the main consideration as per WP:GNG not length of time of existence of a consulate to serve a small community. LibStar (talk) 04:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Egypt is in a different continent and in fact several thousand kms from Pakistan. LibStar (talk) 13:26, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge you know you don't need to send articles to AfD if you trim and merge into the relevant articles. This is an example of an article which can clearly and easily be merged.--TM 06:26, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * or easily deleted for the lack of coverage. Information such as non resident embassies or less than $3M worth of trade is hardly worth merging. You need meaningful content. LibStar (talk) 08:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * To note, I've found a more information with a google search. This 2005 articles goes into great detail of the newly forming relations. LibStar, I think the biggest problem is that you think relations need to be substantial, when, according to Wikipedia, they do not. They just need multiple (not a dozen either), reliable, independent sources covering the topic. With that being said, I am going to merge the relevant content because it makes no sense to delete this information completely.--TM 14:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * relations don't have to be substantial but have to subject of significant coverage. LibStar (talk) 22:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Paraguay-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I would like to point out that the user Whoisthebest123 has copy-pasted my Keep arguments from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Malta%E2%80%93Pakistan_relations_(3rd_nomination) page. Admins please do take due notice to this fact. I do not have any association whatsoever with the user Whoisthebest123. (Jalal0 (talk) 09:39, 20 January 2011 (UTC))
 * Indeed! I was growing a bit suspicious. Anyways, a sincere thank you for being honest and clearing away any doubts :) Mar4d (talk) 09:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * it is interesting how knew how to go there without editing any other article. LibStar (talk) 13:26, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well very honestly speaking, it would be indeed interesting for me as well to know this. I am rather growing suspicious of someone hatching a conspiracy against my account to get deleted, by creating a username  and behaving in a way so as to emulate . Thats why I decided to rush ahead and come with clean hands. (Jalal0 (talk) 13:53, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).


 * Keep All the content in this page has been cited. I would however like to see reference for 1000 Pakistanis living in Paraguay. (Jalal0 (talk) 09:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC))
 * content being cited and verified is not the same as being notable. There is in fact no significant coverage of actual bilateral relations. LibStar (talk) 10:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Borderline Keep Not as much meat as in the other relations articles. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge Appologies to Jalal0, no consipiracy is being hatched against you, I merely found your argument used in another dispute particularly useful for this article. Suggestion to merge this article seems a good option, as through the sources already provided foreign relations have been proven. Whoisthebest123 (talk) 08:42, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Since you are a new user here (presumably), I suppose you would need to know that "merge" means transferring all the information this article currently holds into Foreign relations of Pakistan and Foreign relations of Paraguay; Mar4d (talk) 12:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep The provided sources do make adequate mention of whatever relations the two share; though I wouldn't oppose if merge is the final decision. Mar4d (talk) 02:59, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * what relations? Whatever relations happens in the context of Mercosur. Have you found any coverage covering bilateral relations? LibStar (talk) 07:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom - there's no evidence of a notable relationship in the article, and the existence of such a relationship seems pretty unlikely. Nick-D (talk) 11:15, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete By the article's own admission, if most of the two countries' relations are through a third party organization, then there is hardly anything notable about the relations between the two on their own. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  18:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
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