Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pale Force (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Going with no consensus - see if you can improve the article outside of passing mentions. If not, I perhaps explore MERGE into Jim Gaffigan or Late Night with Conan O'Brien? Not opposed to a speedy renomination to AfD if needed. Missvain (talk) 18:29, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Pale Force
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This does not meet WP:GNG. This belongs on a fansite, not wikipedia. Rusf10 (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - The current article is completely devoid of sources, so there is nothing worth salvaging. The only real secondary source I could find with searches was in the books "Internet Comedy Television Series, 1997-2015" and "Internet Horror, Science Fiction and Fantasy Television" (the same entry appears in both books, this is not two different sources), but the coverage there is pretty limited.  Outside of that, one of Jim Gaffigan's books talks about it, but as he is one of the creators and stars of the show, it can hardly be counted as a secondary source.  I'd be open to suggestions for a Redirect - I was actually initially going to propose this be redirected to Late Night with Conan O'Brien, but the show is not mentioned there, and there is not any content appropriate for merging - so if anyone has a target in mind, I would be fine with it.  Rorshacma (talk) 22:10, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm still not completely convinced that the sources provided by DanCherek below are enough that the show should be kept as an independent article, and not covered somewhere else (Jim Gaffigan, perhaps, as the sources seem to mostly be discussing the show in how it relates to his career?), but at the very least, I think they are enough to demonstrate that straight deletion should not be performed at this point, so I am striking my earlier recommendation. Rorshacma (talk) 15:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Suggestion - I started this article half a lifetime ago. I don't think the episode descriptions are necessary, may be worth keeping the info on the series? I'm not sure if these are relevant sources youtube of series, emmy nomination, imdb entry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonk614 (talk • contribs) 08:32, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 15:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Pale Force has received significant coverage in the Chicago Tribune, The Province, and more, and it resulted in a "cult following" for Gaffigan. The current article focuses too much on plot and not enough on reception and real-world connections, but this meets WP:GNG and there is enough coverage in reliable sources to discuss it in an encyclopedic manner. DanCherek (talk) 23:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per DanCherek. Dr. Universe (talk) 17:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


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