Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pallithanam Luca Matthai


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. North America1000 00:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Pallithanam Luca Matthai

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Not a very notable person Prof TPMS (talk) 11:42, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Acccording to the article he was a member of Travancore's legislative assembly and as such passes the first criterion in WP:NPOL. I was wondering if I could recommend reading the actual notability guidelines before nominating for deletion. Thanks. Uanfala (talk) 14:14, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You can, it's called WP:BEFORE; and Nom failed to read the article thoroughly.  In Nom's defense, it is a poorly written article and fails to follow  standard practices on Wikipedia, one of them is to start the article with a lede section, a paragraph or so that, in the case of a politician, would set out basic information such as what polity he was active in, highest offices held, etc.   This article lacks that.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:10, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep as provincial legislator.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:10, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * delete I, not Nom, failed to read carefully. The "legislature" involved is one of the popular assemblies that existed during the Raj.  I have not looked into this one carefully, they vary, some were political statements constructed as part of the independence movement, in the princely states, some were the sort of consultative assemblies that some monarchies and autocracies continue to  put together, but none of the colonial-era assemblies had the kind of power that actual legislative assemblies have, and, therefore, do not confer automatic notability.  That said, the men and women elected to them are sometimes notable, but their notability must be established in the usual way.  Flag me if such evidence is found and I will reconsider.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:18, 22 February 2016 (UTC
 * Oh, I see. Thanks for pointing this out. Uanfala (talk) 19:27, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. I disagree. This seems to have been a formal legislature in one of the princely states and he therefore qualifies per WP:POLITICIAN. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:05, 1 March 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. I note that neither of the links given as references in the article work, and it is hard to find other sources talking about this person. I did find a comment here by an offsite user named Kuttanadan, who I can only assume is the same person as the main contributors to this article, User:Kuttanadan, User:Hkuttanadu, and User:Kuttanad. It does seem that there are scattered references to Matthai online that corroborate some of the information in the article, though on blogs and the like rather than in reliable sources, and there is apparently a road named after him so I will withhold judgement on notability. — Nizolan  (talk) 13:44, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  19:27, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep It does not matter what the context surrounding the assembly was nor the way in which individuals became members. Those things are not mentioned at Part 1 of WP:NPOLITICIAN. AusLondonder (talk) 20:48, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


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