Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pam Warren (speaker)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 01:25, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Pam Warren (speaker)

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Some decent sources, but too few of them. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO Joseph2302 (talk) 22:28, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete This person's notability appears to be tied solely to the train crash. Merging her page with the crash's would be inappropriate and not notable even within the crash's article. Subsequently, this person is not notable outside of the crash either.--Magnus Puer (sermo) 22:52, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Redirect or very selective Merge to Ladbroke Grove rail crash. The Paddington Survivors Group, which she seems to have founded, seems to have been active enough in relation to the post-crash enquiry to have achieved some notability for itself (and enough for her to justify a mention in relation to it). Her book is already briefly mentioned in the crash article. Having said that, any information which is merged into the crash article should be strictly to do with either the Paddington Survivors Group or her book. PWilkinson (talk) 13:26, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:15, 17 May 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - she's had enough coverage over the years to meet WP:GNG —Мандичка YO 😜 10:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Massive coverage of her personal story, over many years. Proper WP:BEFORE should have turned these up. Plus coverage of book, speaking career.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep – Passes WP:N and the subject has received WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, such as, , which demonstrates ongoing notability. The subject also passes point #3 of WP:NAUTHOR, having created a significant or well-known work, per her book From Behind The Mask, which has received multiple reviews such as , , . North America1000 10:06, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep She's received press coverage over 15 years, not just connected with the immediate aftermath of the crash: she's received coverage for her work on railway safety campaigning and as an author. Her book has received reviews in nationwide UK newspapers. Colapeninsula (talk) 10:48, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * A rename is probably called for, since she's not primarily notable as a motivational speaker. A good comparison is with Simon Weston, who originally came to fame via the bombing of RFA Sir Galahad (1966) but since then has achieved a high level of fame and media attention as a campaigner, media personality, and autobiographical writer. Colapeninsula (talk) 10:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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