Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pamela Gregory


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. --Core desat 02:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Pamela Gregory

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Possible hoax article. Can't confirm that this person exists at all. (as per article's talk page) - I can't find this person anywhere on IMDB.com. I've checked the listings for the threee main films credited to her:


 * Die Hard
 * Beetlejuice
 * Batman

The last one even lists uncredited grips. What are the odds of her name not appearing againt 3 biggish films if she worked on all of them? Lugnuts 18:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete I checked IMDb for two of the major TV series, and she did not appear there either. Googling "pam gregory" + grip and "pamela gregory" + grip, yielded nothing verifiable. Fails WP:V Caknuck 19:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Even if this is true (highly unlikely), first female dolly grip doesn't even sound all that notable. Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ 19:15, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree, it is not verifiable. However, remember WP:GOOGLEHITS Caknuck. -- Tλε Rαnδоm Eδι  τ  оr   19:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment By no means is Google the arbiter of notability. But if the article's author provides no references for what should be easily verifiable claims and the most widely used source for the industry has nothing, then Google is a logical third resource. I was hoping Google would turn up a "Women in Film Careers" type site or an obituary (the subject is recently deceased) to verify at least one of the assertions in the article, but the only three things found within the article's context were WP mirrors and a forum posting that quoted text from WP. Upon review, the article appears to be in violation of WP:MEMORIAL as well (assuming it is not a hoax, as previously suggested). Cheers, Caknuck 03:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Pamela gregory appears on imdb as an actress. All internet refs to her as a grip seem to return back to the wiki entry. Lynbarn 19:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Pamela gregory appears on imdb as an actress. Where? I can see a Pat Gregory and there is a character called Pamela Gregory in a 1931 film called Grief Street, but I can't see an article for her. Lugnuts 19:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops! It was the character I saw - NOT the actress! Very Sorry! anyway, I still say Delete Regards, Lynbarn 23:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem! Lugnuts 07:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, nonnotable even if true. NawlinWiki 20:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I read her obituary in Below the Line (Dec. 2006 I think), a motion picture industry magazine. The FIRST female dolly grip in over 50 years of cinema, worldwide, that is notable right there with no other info necessary.  The internet is not the only source for information. If the article is deleted, it will inevitably be recreated.  Don't be so lazy (only looking at online sources) and quick to judge notability. User:Pedant 08:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, for the ignorant, the dolly grip is the guy who pushes the camera dolly (with camera, cameraman, focus-puller all riding on it). It takes a special magic touch to do this well, as well as stamina. It's not an easy job, and there  aren't very many MEN who can do it as well as Ms. Gregory did.  User:Pedant 08:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we all know what a dolly grip is, thanks. Lugnuts 08:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Laziness isn't an issue here. As you are the person who added this information, then the burden is on you to cite the source of this info. Might I remind you to maintain civility in these discussions. Thanks, Caknuck 17:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.