Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pan Am Flight 843


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The result was   keep. § FreeRangeFrog croak 03:31, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Pan Am Flight 843

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Coverage of this incident does not the general notability guidelines. I actually expected to find references to this event without any trouble, but apart from the usual air crash database entries, some forum discussions and several sites hosting the same video, I can't. YSSYguy (talk) 09:04, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry to present just ASN and a YouTube video as refs, but I couldn't find much else. Anyway, considering the circumstances (the engine exploded AND part of the wing broke off), it's pretty amazing that the pilots of this flight were able to make it even another mile from where the explosion happened and land safely with no one getting hurt whatsoever.--STH235SilverLover (talk) 19:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the lack of references is due to the fact the the event took place in 1965. Let me see if I can find another reference...--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 20:13, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep - the incident is fairly significant. It did get a brief mention in The Times. The NTSB investigated, and a synopsis is available online. Presumably there would have been coverage in the American Press, just a question of finding the stuff. Anyone know of any accessible online archives of American newspapers? Mjroots (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Keep - additional info: Newspaper clippings 1, 2, and 3, NTSB brief data summary 4, and CAB original report 5.--Godot13 (talk) 23:58, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * - the newspaper clippings require subscrition. Whilst not optimal, they are admissable. The CAB report is very useful. I would add that ASN, used as a ref in the article, mentions an issue of Life magazine that can also be used as a source. As I said, its just a question of finding stuff, rather than the accident not being notable. Mjroots (talk) 08:44, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The clippings should be useable as refs now (I think). I'll try to have a look for the Life article...--Godot13 (talk) 08:59, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The clippings should be useable as refs now (I think). I'll try to have a look for the Life article...--Godot13 (talk) 08:59, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The clippings should be useable as refs now (I think). I'll try to have a look for the Life article...--Godot13 (talk) 08:59, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The clippings should be useable as refs now (I think). I'll try to have a look for the Life article...--Godot13 (talk) 08:59, 3 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep passes WP:GNG - the lack of video may have more to do with recentism and the ubiquity of video cameras. I do think that we need to do our utmost to counteract that inherent bias in our sources, but here we don't need to break a sweat in finding reliable sources describing the incident. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 02:02, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, essentally as WP:NOTNEWS. Yes it happened, yes it was reported in newspapers when it happened but this is essentially a non-notable incident: no fatalities and caused by sloppy maintenance, so no changes to aircraft design &c.TheLongTone (talk) 14:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, subject is notable per WP:EVENT, as Notability (fatal hull loss civil aviation accidents) is not a notability guideline, subject has received significant coverage from multiple non-primary reliable sources, and meets WP:PERSISTENCE due to (among others) in-depth coverage as recently as 2012.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:09, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I was thinking delete until I saw the 8mm film on Youtube. This incident is notable and will be even better w/some improvements. Samf4u (talk) 20:34, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
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