Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pan American University Games


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I find Metropolitan90's contribution the most persuasive from a policy standpoint, and in seven days, it was not refuted in the slightest. Daniel (talk) 00:12, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Pan American University Games

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The only source I can find on this topic is primary, there doesn't appear to be any sort of coverage in the news, which leads me to believe this is a non-notable sporting event. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

The fact that you could not find a source has nothing to do with the article. I added more than ten sources to it. In addition to being as well-known as similar articles, even though it is new and established in 2018, it has more than 200,000 results on Google. This is because you did not search correctly. Hao Xia Xia (talk) 04:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

you should search :

FISU AMERICA GAMES

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Snowball_clause


 * South American University Games
 * European Universities Games
 * ASEAN University Games
 * All-Africa University Games

This user seems to be looking for nonsense excuses to delete the article. It had already bothered me in related articles. You are also discouraging me from working because I seem to be wasting my time. The article is well known and there are many corresponding articles. Asia will also start regional student competitions from 2022. Despite being new, there are enough resources and based on the principle of the snowball, there is no need to continue the discussion because the result is clear. --Hao Xia Xia (talk) 04:45, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The sources are all primary and do not present any sort of Significant coverage, as indicated in WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:15, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

This user's argument from the beginning was that these competitions are irrelevant to Panam Sport:

http://www.badmintonpanam.org/badminton-will-be-part-of-fisu-america-games-2020/

You can see that it is also reflected in official sites such as the official badminton site of the Americas. Hao Xia Xia (talk) 04:54, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

In this case, it should be labeled as resource improvement, not deletion. These competitions have been held only once and the second period is due to corona postpone to 2021. The main sources are Portuguese and Spanish. I also did not see such strictness in other similar articles. Your reason for deleting the article does not appear to be valid. Hao Xia Xia (talk) 07:04, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

also you can change redirect to :

World University Games


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 * Delete. Does not meet WP:GNG, no significant coverage in independent reliable sources. — Chrisahn (talk) 08:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * comment if there really are that many sources (in other languages) can you please bring them forward per WP:THREE? Otherwise we will have to delete it with the current sourcing. Please do not use "official" sites but rather independent coverage in national newspapers etc. --hroest 14:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep.


 * South American University Games
 * European Universities Games
 * ASEAN University Games
 * All-Africa University Games

Hao Xia Xia (talk) 17:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

There are enough resources. They are more than enough as well. For a competition that is only two years old, it is not necessary to find thousands of independent sources. It is a normal and small but famous competition. In the worst case, it does not need to be removed and can be redirected to the World Universiade.Hao Xia Xia (talk) 17:34, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * You look at the rest of the sports articles. Many of them hardly even have a credible source (Many have only one source, which is not independent). Should they all be removed? In these cases, it is labeled as resource improvement, not deletion. The user who deleted the tag from the beginning and from my first edition deleted my edits because he believes that other than the Pan American Games, other competitions are not important or may not exist. Hao Xia Xia (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please review WP:OTHER. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:53, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * yes, they should be removed per Wikipedia policy. Nobody asked you to find thousands of sources, I only asked you what the three most reliable sources are and you have not been able to deliver them so far. All sources I see are either not independent, press releases or blogs and I dont see a single respectable newspaper covering the event. --hroest 14:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 23:14, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - everything I could find related to the Pan American Games, for which we already have an article, or seemed to be reprints of FISU press releases and publications. That's coverage, sort of, but certainly not independent. The rest were passing mentions in articles about other things, other sports, or other events. It doesn't help that someone has tried to reference-bomb the article in an attempt to make the subject look notable, but if you go through them (and I did) most have their genesis at the FISU URL.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 05:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep – This article isn't about the Pan American Games, it is about the Pan American University Games. The difference between these to types of games are that the latter only allow student-athletes to participate. With its first edition held in 2018 in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Have you tried to make a search of this subject (Panamericanos Universitarios ?) in other languages for instance in spanish or brazilian-portuguese, and looking through related newspapers (from the Sao Paolo-area around the dates of the event being held there), here List of online newspaper archives ? I'm norwegian and doesn't speak or understand neither spanish nor brazilian-portuguese. Sorry forgot to sign my keep-vote, Migrant (talk – contribs) 18:23, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand the distinction between the two; its a distinction I pointed out in my opening line. I think everyone understands the distinction. If you have foreign language sources, feel free to link to them so that other editors can consider them. I didn't suggest there were no sources; simply that I could not find any. And my !vote was based on that search and a review of the sources currently in the article itself (which are pretty poor for WP:Notability purposes).  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 07:59, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: i think we can take another pass at this one–the difference between Pan American Games and Pan American University Games could cause a consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 00:52, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article has only one sentence of prose with 22 footnotes attached to it. Generally speaking, that's not how an article should be organized. In fact, some of the footnotes refer to the "FISU America Games" rather than the "Pan American University Games"; if the event's name has changed since it began, then that should be mentioned in a separate sentence with a citation. If this article is to be kept, I would like to see more prose content (with appropriate citations). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:26, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete due to serious accuracy problems. "Pan American University Games" does not even appear to be the correct name for this event; the only reference to that name I can find on the FISU America website uses the name "FISU America Games" as the primary name. (See .) The article also claims that 3,000 athletes participated in the 2nd edition of the games in Mérida, Venezuela, in June 2020, which would have been during the COVID-19 pandemic when international travel was limited. In actuality, the FISU America Games were never even scheduled for Mérida, Venezuela; they were scheduled for Mérida, Mexico -- and they weren't even held in 2020 due to the pandemic, but were suspended in March of that year, to be rescheduled at a later date which has apparently not yet been announced. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


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