Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Panda Xpress


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was DELETE. Owen&times; &#9742;  00:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Panda Xpress
Delete Not notable. Googling for "Panda Xpress" yields 293 hits and "Panda Xpress" +comic yields 213. Chelman 10:31, 28 November 2005 (UTC) Without a clear guideline, I must remain neutral. B.Wind 10:56, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment/question. What would qualify a web comic for inclusion in Wikipedia as "notable"? What would be the minimum for a "traditional" comic strip to be considered for consideration for inclusion?
 * Comment The guidlines for this are actually quite clear: WP:WEB.

Is a high/low Google search hit a valid criteria for the definition of 'notable'? 6 of the hits on the first page of Google search for Panda Xpress are relevant. The webcomic is notable because of its format which offers something different and firmly "untraditional". My opinion. YMMV. --Trishtrash 14:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The high/low Google search hit is only an additional criterium. The comic has only been around for a few months and it only amounts to 75 strips. THe strips aren't half bad, although they are far from great. I would think that maybe in a year's time when the comic proves its longevity it can be considered notable. I just simply don't think that just because something was published it is notable. I for one used to run a blog that was visited by more people than this comic.....does that warrant a Wikipedia article? Chelman 18:56, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be worth allowing the entry time to grow into something 'notable' before crying for the entry's deletion? It does take time to type in thing like character summaries, history, storyline and whatnot. A wikipedia entry is a valid outlet for a webcomic, as evidenced by the existing entries for such 'cult classic' gems as Casey and Andy, Sluggy Freelance and Queen of Wands as well as the more mainstream webcomics like User Friendly and Penny Arcade. 67.168.36.17 16:20, 28 November 2005 (UTC)Eleri, Queen Pimper of Panda Xpress


 * There is currently a discussion on notability of Web Comics taking place as part of the discussion on Websites. Peyna 17:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment possible trademark violation of the Panda Express restaurant chain. Durova 17:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Not likely; completely different markets. Besides, even if the webcomic did constitute a trademark violation, Wikipedia would not in any way be prohibitted from including an article on it, because Wikipedia is not using the trademark in any infringing way. Peyna 17:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete, vanity, non-noteable. Does not satisfy the requirements in WP:WEB or WP:CORP for automatic Keep.  Phrases like "character-rich" leads me to believe this is vanity more than anything. HackJandy 19:56, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * WP:WEB is a proposed policy, please make sure you state it as such when referring to it in any discussion. (This goes for the comment above by B.Wind some anonymous editor as well. Peyna 20:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Have made a minor edit to better highlight that which seems notable (at least to the author) about Panda Xpress. In order for the entry to be 'vanity', I'd have to be a contributor or at have a vested interest in the comic's success.  Neither happens to be the case. --Trishtrash 22:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete, not withstanding my other comments on this page, not enough readership or notability to need an article on Wikipedia. Peyna 20:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - per Peyna. FCYTravis 05:28, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm still unsure whether 'readership' is fixed as a policy for keeping a webcomic-related article... if I may put the system on trial for a moment here; an encyclopedia is where one turns for the obscure and interesting as much as the widely known (I came to Wikipedia looking for an entry on Panda XPress, and decided to start one when it couldn't be found) As a web-based resource, Wikipedia should be courting this natural turn-to position as an authority on everything within its own medium. 'Notable' may be up for discussion, but 'not enough people know about it' sounds like faulty reasoning for an encyclopedia entry.  Again, my opinion only.  --Trishtrash 10:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep There's enough unique about Panda Xpress' graphics, layout, story and characters, not to mention it being the first 'self-writing webcomic' (as referenced on "Digital Strips show 43" to make it noteable in its own right as an emerging webcomic, without needing a high readership.


 * Keep 216.11.73.14 13:37, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Transwiki, and I believe most of the "delete" votes here should actually be considered transwiki votes. ComixPedia is a cousin of Wikipedia's that's dedicated to webcomics.  It doesn't have an article on Panda Xpress yet - whether this article is deleted or not, fans of Panda Xpress should consider copying it to ComixPedia.  &mdash; Haeleth Talk 17:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Additional Info
I took the liberty of copying from the Websites discussion as pointed out by Peyna. That page seems to publicize a public Wikipedia consensus. According to those guidelines this comic is not notable and should be deleted by default:

Webcomics
A webcomic's impact can be demonstrated by meeting one or more of the following criteria:
 * 1) Meeting any of the General guidelines for websites;
 * 2) Having an Alexa ranking of 100,000 or better. (This is less demanding than for a standard website because every visitor is a consumer.)
 * 3) Having a printed collection listed at Amazon with a sales rank of 100,000 or better;
 * 4) If a webcomic has been picked up by one of the large webcomic syndicates, it should be included. These include:
 * 5) *Keenspot
 * 6) *Blank Label Comics
 * 7) *Modern Tales and its sister sites: Serializer, Graphic Smash, and Girlamatic
 * 8) *Dayfree Press
 * 9) *Dumbrella
 * 10) If a webcomic has won a significant award, it should be included. These include:
 * 11) * Eisner Award
 * 12) * Ignatz Award
 * 13) * Webby Award
 * 14) * Web Cartoonists’ Choice Awards


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.