Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PandemoniUM (A cappella)


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The result was   delete. Discussion of the sources appears to suggest that they do not meet the notability requirements for musical groups. Black Kite (talk) 12:20, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

PandemoniUM (A cappella)

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Lacks significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources Yaksar (let's chat) 02:29, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 02:54, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 02:54, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There's one independent source in the article (RARB), which is independent of the subject abacknd probably reliable.  However, it is not useful for determining notability because all of their reviews are done at the request of the musical ensemble, so it's not really "coverage" in the sense we normally use for notability.  Sailsbystars (talk) 14:15, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just going to add that the sources added to the article since my !VOTE are still insufficient to pass WP:GNG or WP:NBAND. A few of the sources added are reliable, but the mentions in the sources fall under the category of trivial coverage.  Sailsbystars (talk) 12:45, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Three additional independent resources have since been added, including the page for the group on the website of the Student Government Association at that University (University of Maryland). The other two are a review from the Contemporary A Cappella Society (which, unlike RARB, is not done at the request of the musical ensemble but rather done independently), and the A Cappella blog which is independent of the subject and is reliable in its coverage of Varsity Vocals events. Pandemonium also has music sold on iTunes, Amazon.com, and Rhapsody, among others, which speaks to its notability, besides being featured on the Best of Collegiate A Cappella compilation in 2009 which is nationally respected by the a cappella community. Willgd14 (talk) 00:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:20, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Do not delete It seems that several other sources have also been added that would constitute media coverage. However, the article still has a lot of information (e.g. in the History section) that is uncited. Have any of the article authors tried looking on the Web Archive? b ac k sta bb 01:41, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The sources that are actually independent from the group either don't cover the topic at a substantial level or are not the kind of sites that are useful in determining if a subject is notable.--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * We did indeed use the Web Archive to access past versions of the group's website for information such as the dates of the older CD's in the discography section which are no longer on the website. Since the URL is the same now but without that information, how should we go about citing this information? Also, as noted in the references section, the Constitution of the PandemoniUM A Cappella Singers was accessed at the University of Maryland Student Government Associations's office as a resource for the writing of this article, including most of the information in the history section. Willgd14 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC).


 * Delete. Awards are not major, touring lacks coverage. The only independent source that provides any depth of coverage, the Recorded A Cappella Review Board, is not a reliable source. Noting satisfying WP:BAND. At time of writing this some referencing is misleading. The Washington Post article's mention of PandemoniUM in it's entirety "Everybody wanted in on the act. In time, the Generics begot the Treble Makers, Faux Paz, PandemoniUM and the Earthtonz." It does not verify the sentances it follows. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:19, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep That is incorrect, if you read the whole Washington Post article (I'm guessing you just read the excerpt from highbeam.com), you would see that it does verify the sentances it follows about Amie Hsu being a founder and the sister of Richard Hsu. Also, inclusion on the Best of Collegiate A Cappella compilation is proof of notability. Willgd14 (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|20px|alt=|link=]] — Duplicate !vote: Willgd14 (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.


 * Just a heads up, while you're absolutely allowed to keep participating in the discussion, you should only have one bolded "vote" (although they aren't exactly just votes) in your comments. Thanks!--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I looked at the full article on highbeam, and while it does seem to confirm what is cited it in no way comes close to significant or substantial coverage.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've reread the article and I was wrong. I need to add that the next sentance is also relevent. "Wednesday at the campus Memorial Chapel, the five once-fractious groups will come together for the fifth annual "A Cappella at the Chapel Singfest."". as is "Around the same time, Hsu encouraged his little sister Amie to found another co-ed group, PandemoniUM." Then a quick mention of the shared style of the multiple groups then "They all say the infighting, which occurred well before many of the current members arrived on campus, is over. In addition to sharing the marquee for the annual concert, they party together, sing together and critique each other's work". duffbeerforme (talk) 22:16, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * the Best of Collegiate A Cappella compilation is not a notable complialtion so is not proof of notability. duffbeerforme (talk) 22:19, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's not clear to me how this group meets the notability criteria for musical groups. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:44, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:28, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  →TSU tp* 04:41, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - most universities/colleges have music groups; the vast majority of them will not be sufficiently notable for a WP article. Although there are a handful of RS mentioning this one, I still don't think it is enough; I would put the bar higher. Maratrean (talk) 10:36, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
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