Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pandora's Box 2021 (天目危机)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Note that the article has already been moved to Pandora's Box (Chinese TV series).  bibliomaniac 1  5  22:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Pandora's Box 2021 (天目危机)

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Lacks coverage from reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG and is likely WP:TOOSOON TheChronium  14:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  TheChronium  14:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:54, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment This show airs in 3 days. I feel this AfD is TOOSOON; it is very likely this show will have significant coverage after the show airs, was it really necessary to sent it to AfD now? And there seems to be some coverage pre-air from skimming on Google News (China Daily Phoenix). I am leaning keep but holding my vote until it airs. Jumpytoo Talk 19:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Cunard gave good sourcing below, so I'll confirm my vote to keep. Jumpytoo Talk 22:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I agree with Jumpytoo. This show will air on August 18 so there will be more references and information once the drama is released.  As well, many Hollywood movies have articles made in Wikipedia long before the movie itself is aired, therefore, I don’t see why this article should be deleted.  This can be a living article where new information, when each episode is aired, can be updated. This is consistent to the spirit of Wikipedia.  So, my vote is to keep this article. C9HappyHarp Talk 20:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , the Hollywood movies you are referring to are probably notable under the WP:NFF guidelines, which allows for future films if the production process is notable. This article, as it is now, does not have any production details, thus not notable yet. You may want to incorporate details about the production of the drama. Additionally, the article should be moved to Pandora's Box ( 2019 Chinese TV series) per disambiguation guidelines (while the current Pandora's Box (TV series)] be moved to Pandora's Box ( 1992 British TV series) since the current article title of the latter will now be a partial disambiguation). – robertsky (talk) 20:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment AfD is WP:TOOSOON. Nominator should have considered sending the article into Draftspace for incubation rather than deletion. – robertsky (talk) 20:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Cunard's finding has been included into the article, and the show is released. – robertsky (talk) 17:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to Pandora's Box (Chinese TV series) per Naming conventions (use English) and Naming conventions (television). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes from Google Translate: "On June 9, the suspense soft science fiction series Pandora's Box held an advanced screening event in Shanghai, unveiling the mystery of the first Chinese film screening at the Magnolia Award at the 25th Shanghai TV Festival. The producer/supervisor Kenny Chau (周其良), director Jiang Lei, starring Ray Change (zh:張睿 (演員)), He Dujuan, Liu Xueyi, and Yasuaki Kurata of Pandora's Box also came to the scene to share with the audience the creative story behind the stage, about Pandora's Box. The huge amount of information, the texture of Japanese dramas, and the special discussion of character setting also made the hot search on Weibo."  From Google Translate: "Based on scientific concepts, the play proposes theoretical clues such as "Schrödinger's Cat"... In addition, there are a large number of scenes depicting the world of "consciousness" in the play. The huge amount of information makes people overwhelmed during the viewing process. It is both sci-fi and brain-burning. The creative method is novel and it is also a visual feast. ... In addition to the strong cast and movie-like texture, the high quality of the plot is also a highlight of "Tianmu Crisis". For such a high-quality original IP, the excellent team in front of and behind the scenes also made the show even more powerful, and it is highly anticipated by netizens."  The article provides one paragraph coverage about the subject. The article notes from Google Translate: "The TV series Pandora's Box is a suspenseful brain-burning drama. The story tells a physics student who is enthusiastic about science. Because his mother was involved in a traffic accident, he was trapped by others. In order to get out of control, he stepped into the crime of a gangster. The world of spider webs; this film is led by powerful actors such as Ray Chang, Liu Xueyi], Joseph Chang, Michael Miu, etc. The audience is looking forward to it!"   The article notes: "As far as the exposed films are concerned, the whole plot is ups and downs, and the composition, music, and narrative style are all very cinematic."  The article provides two sentences of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "Among them, there are 15 sci-fi dramas that have been filmed and produced and are waiting to be broadcast, including ... Pandora's Box produced by Huanrui Century, ... ... For example, the suspense science fiction drama Pandora's Box starts with physics, and ..." </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Pandora's Box to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 05:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * The TV series meets Notability (films) since:<ol><li>it commenced principal photography by 2019 (according to the 10 June 2019 article in The Paper which noted it had an advanced screening event on 9 June 2019),</li><li>it is scheduled to start broadcasting on 18 August 2021 in two days,</li><li>and it passes Notability.</li></ol> Cunard (talk) 05:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with:<ol><li>moving Pandora's Box 2021 (天目危机) to Pandora's Box (Chinese TV series) and</li><li>moving Pandora's Box (TV series) to Pandora's Box (British TV series)</li></ol> per Naming conventions (use English) and Naming conventions (television) as noted by Metropolitan90 and robertsky. Cunard (talk) 05:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Strong support of page moves - I agree that nominating a show that premieres in three days as toosoon seems unnecessary as the primary argument for its deletion becomes negated before closure. But I do think moving both series to the names as discussed above should be done. matt91486 (talk) 04:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


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