Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pandora (sculpture)


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The result was keep, as improved, with the suggestion that the article be further expanded from the French Wikipedia page. bd2412 T 13:39, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Pandora (sculpture)

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Does not seem notable enough to justify a standalone article, no sources on page. Google search determines that only other references online are from Pinterest as well as an art site that solely uses the text from the article. Cogaidh (talk) 15:14, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 *  Merge  to Jean-Pierre Cortot. I did find one source that seems to assert some notability to the sculpture, here, which makes the claim that the sculpture was one of the two pieces of art that first established the modern image of Pandora's Box.  However, that is the only source I could find that was anything more than just a mention of the sculpture's existence.  The single source, alone, is not enough to pass the WP:GNG, however I think it is enough that a merge to the artist's page, where the statue is already briefly discussed, is appropriate. Rorshacma (talk) 16:37, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Changing my position to Keep, as there are now enough sources to warrant a stand alone article. Rorshacma (talk) 17:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Drive-by nomination with no consideration of alternatives to deletion. The nomination's assertion about sources is false, as noted by Rorshacma.  And notice that the French article is substantial and has plenty of sources.  All the topic needs is attention from an expert such as Johnbod. Andrew D. (talk) 12:12, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Neutral The long French article certainly shows that sources are there - whether this unrefed 2-liner is worth keeping is another matter. It doesn't even give the measurements. Mind you, we have hundreds of these, with a ref or two. Johnbod (talk) 14:11, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:38, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:38, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment, from nomination: "no sources on page", it does now! added the book source above, WHOOP, WHOOP!!!! Coolabahapple (talk) 13:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * and added info about a François-Louis Dejuinne drawing of it. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:36, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment, i'm surprised there aren't more wikiarticles on notable Pandora artworks ie. Pandora sculpture by John Gibson: source here, source here, anyway, the French wikiarticle on Cortot's Pandora does state that Gibson did pay tribute to Cortot with his rendition here. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep seems notable, looking at the added sources (I added another) and at the French Wikipedia page! --- ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment ("not another one coola!?":)), and the Museum of Fine Arts of Lyon (where its held) believes it to be such a significant artwork in its collection that they offer an audio commentary on the work "About Pandora, Jean-Baptiste Cortot, 1819: The myth of Pandora" (no. 177 under "Sculptures XIXe"). Coolabahapple (talk) 16:27, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:GNG (and the non-existant sng WP:ARTNOTE, i envisage it to be similar to WP:NBOOK:)), article now has sources that reflect this, also in addition to any above sources that aren't in the article(?), there are books such as Les Beaux-Arts: illustration des arts et de la littérature (1843) in which the publisher L. Curmer describes it as "the most remarkable work of Cortot" see here (in French). Coolabahapple (talk) 17:36, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , nice find! I have added the part about it being purchased by the Minister of the interior, along with your newly found source. This is now clearly WP:HEY.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:40, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep the article is unlikely to make it to Featured Article anytime soon, but it doesn't have to. All information is verifiable in independent, reliable sources. Vexations (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Jean-Pierre Cortot - not one of his major works and not individually notable enough for a stand-alone article - it is listed in the Jean-Pierre Cortot article as an early work, so should redirect there - Epinoia (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Coolabahapple and their work improving this article. —&#8288; 烏&#8288;Γ (kaw) │ 00:58, 14 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.