Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Panos Armenakas (2nd nomination)


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The result was no consensus. North America1000 09:44, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Panos Armenakas
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He has not played a professional senior game at club or international level. Article fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Also fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 12:50, 8 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - I recreated the article as I feel that he now more than passes WP:GNG. A quick Google of his name returns thousands of results, showing more than significant coverage from many different independent reliable sources. How does he fail WP:GNG? Perhaps over 8.5 years ago, he failed WP:GNG, but he surely doesn't anymore. - J man708 (talk) 14:20, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Does not yet meet the  football notability criteria.--Rpclod (talk) 23:22, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. May fail WP:NFOOTBALL but a simple google search shows how easily he passes WP:GNG. Doctorhawkes (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and the coverage he has received is routine sport journalism which does not amount to significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:08, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete - clearly fails WP:NFOOTBALL, the question is whether or not he meets WP:GNG - this is a close one, but I'd be inclined to say the coverage is not significant enough / slightly too WP:ROUTINE to satisfy GNG. GiantSnowman 08:58, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, I can remember being attacked during this kid's first AfD, I can't believe it was nearly NINE YEARS ago..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:58, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ymblanter (talk) 08:33, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:GNG with significant coverage over the years  . Nfitz (talk) 20:33, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and does not meet WP:GNG JMHamo (talk) 11:22, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Could someone tell me how he possibly fails WP:GNG? A quick Google search of his name shows that this guy has many, many news articles written about him from his childhood until now. SBS, Inside Sport and the Daily Mail aren't small time news writers. - J man708 (talk) 13:48, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - a good question. There's a group here, who seem to believe that players simply shouldn't have articles until they've got a first-team appearance - heavy media coverage or not. If you look at the delete votes, many of these are the same individuals who were arguing that the Jack Wilshire article should be deleted only hours before he debuted for Arsenal, despite massive international media coverage on 5 continents! Nfitz (talk) 22:41, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep per Nfitz and J man708 Fails WP:NFOOTBALL but passes WP:GNG has received significant coverage over the years.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:GNG, references show a significant level of coverage for this player over a number of years. This is not a case of a very young player being hyped briefly only to fade away. The references cited above are lengthy discussions on the player, quotes from him and discussion about him by a wider audience. Fenix down (talk) 08:21, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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