Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paolo Corallini


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The consensus from among the established accounts is that the subject lacks notability. The keep vote (from among the established accounts) indicate that there are sources; however none are cited. Without sources, I cannot say that they have refuted those favoring deletion. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  01:41, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Paolo Corallini

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The notability of this man is tenuous at best. All of the references are self published, and the editors reek of conflict of interest, despite my attempts to tell them to cease editing pages they are involved with.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 09:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - The subject of the BLP appears to meet WP:ATH as the highest ranking in their sport. COI edits, in themselves, are not a reason to delete but a reason to manage the article and potentially take action on the contributor account. Should the sources be found to not verify the facts in the article, then that would be a different reason to delete and I would happily change my opinion on that basis. Fæ (talk) 09:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This man's notability is quite clear and undisputed within Aikido and japanese martial arts community. Articles about this man already exist in spanish, italian and croatian language, and this looks like a signal of a suitable notability in a certain sport.In order to avoid conflicts of interests, according to Wikipedia policy, that would be helpful to help managing the article with citing sourcing and references, which seem to be quite available on the internet community, especially among martial arts web archives, which are not necessarily linked to the person. Deleting maybe is not the most suitable action, being probably more helpful to improve this page. Bests Nagemasu (talk) 10:57, 18 November 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.55.68.146 (talk) 
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 * Keep I believe this page is not suitable for deletion. The notability of this person is confirmed by secondary sources (most of them already cited inside the article), which should let us presume a person to be notable, according to the WP:BIO basic criteria : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people). Il also seems this person matches the two WP:BIO additional criteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people): 1- The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor (this man received a gold medal from the Italian Government and the Olympic Italian Committe) 2- The person has made a widely recognized contribtion that his part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field (it’s a fact this person imported traditional Aikido in Continental Europe by inviting the japanese master Saito Morihiro for the first time in 1985 in Italy). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.28.170.131 (talk) 10:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 
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 * Note: We've had two IPs (one of whom signed as a logged in account), both of which appear to have a conflict of interest.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 10:59, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * KeepThere’s no reason indeed to delete a page about Paolo Corallini, who’s more than well known in Aikido community worldwide.Referring to notability guideline “The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice"; that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded."[1] Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular"—although not irrelevant—is secondary”.The relevant profile of this person on an international basis among martial artist shows a public attention worthy to be recorded. On a second hand, this page seems to match also the “verifiability” criteria, as most references used in this page are secondary sources (in this case Aikido Journal, which is the biggest indipendent webzine and publisher in Aikido field), which are mostly used in wikipedia:I don’t understand why this page has been considered for deletion. As others said, it might be improved and completed with more reliable information, instead.Should there be some “double IP” users I think the best would be to delete their account, instead of deleting a page which might be of interest.Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MB220781 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 
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 * Keep - Why should this page should be deleted?According to deletion policy it doesn’t seem this article requires this action, indeed: the article can be easily attributed to reliable sources, it maches notability guidelines, especially WPBIO criteria. It also seems that this page has a relevant interest among internet community: a normal research on internet shows the public profile of this person.Edits made by double accounts is not considered by Wikipedia a reason to delete an article, instead this behaviour may be stopped towards these particular subjects, but it shall not compromise the interest of creating a living person’s biography which has an international following in martial arts field.Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Francesco Falappa (talk • contribs) 12:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 
 * — Francesco Falappa (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. .— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 20:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't read or speak Italian, so I can't evaluate these sources. I glaced at the Spanish and Italian Wikipedia entries, and they don't seem to use these sources.  Does anyone know whether these are reliable, independent sources?  I am not convinced by the English language sources. Racepacket (talk) 15:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - The main source used as reference for the page is "Aikido Journal" and, as far as it's possible to see from the web, it is the most indipendent Aikido publisher and magazine available. Most of articles related to "Aikido" use this as a reliable source, and most of these articles have been considered suitable and in accordance with Wiki rules. Just as examples: Masamichi Noro (just one reference from Aikido Journal and one from kiia.net). Some other articles have only self-published contents, for example "Stefan Stenudd", where there are no references at all, and, as external links,two references, one of which is Stefan Stenudd's website. The same with Hitohiro Saito: this page has two references: his website (selfpublished) and Aikido Journal (one article), nevertheless on that page editors are just invited to add citation, but the article is not under deletion process..I hardly see the difference and where the problem is lying.I believe the cited sources are reliable and matching Wiki rules, anyway. Pages in other languages too can be improved.Thanks.Nagemasu (talk) 17:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.1.41 (talk) 
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 * Nagemasu, if that is who you are, you are not allowed to vote twice.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 20:18, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: To the closing admin, this whole AFD has been disrupted by SPAs and IP editors parading as logged in users. As such, I have requested semi-protection to deter future SPAs.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 20:18, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I striped the above "Keep" due to extremely likely Meat or Sockpuppetry. Two votes where signed with the same username, but cast from a different IP adress. The other editors have never edited before, and still mention to quote Wikipedia policy and guidelines. This, combined with the fact that the texts use the same structure, leads me to believe that someone created a call for comment somewhere and included some default tags to use - or that someone is hopping IP's in order to place these comments. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 20:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 06:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see any evidence that he meets any of the notability criteria under WP:MANOTE. Papaursa (talk) 04:50, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:MANOTE and I don't think there are sources to show he passes WP:GNG.Astudent0 (talk) 15:27, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep It matches the following criteria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Martial_arts, having more than 100 dojos all over is a notability guideline, as signed. Lot of sources are externally available, which is not found on other martial artist's pages...Please verify better. Some pages are still running despite being self published (Hitohiro Saito's pages has no other sources than his website). This page should be improved too, but not deleted. It meets WP:ATH, WPBIO, and, as formerly noted, it matches these rules too: notability guideline “The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice"; that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded."[1] Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular"—although not irrelevant—is secondary”.The relevant profile of this person on an international basis among martial artist shows a public attention worthy to be recorded.Bests —Preceding unsigned comment added by RCspecial (talk • contribs) 11:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
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 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.