Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pappu Hossain


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I'm not sure we are going to establish a clear consensus here at this time Fenix down (talk) 10:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Pappu Hossain

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Footballer who fails GNG and NFOOTY BlameRuiner (talk) 08:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Extending for one week while editor attemps to fix article to show GNG. No overwhelming consensus to delete, so no harm doing this
 * Delete per nom, no international caps yet = too soon for an article. GiantSnowman 18:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable footballer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment the big problem with this article, doesn't appear to be notability, it's that it's dreadfully formatted, and references are broken. I'm working on fixing the existing references, and adding more to demonstrate GNG. Can we hold off closing the AFD until I've finished. Nfitz (talk) 00:35, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 08:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment Having digging further into this, I'm torn. I've found one good article for GNG here. But just one. Have I missed something? Everything else is routine. Meanwhile, he's arguably one of the best goalkeepers in a not quite fully professional league - but the top league in his country - so doesn't quite meet NFOOTBALL. And he's been called up to the national team recently - but no cap (which lead to the one GNG reference) - so again doesn't quite meet NFOOTBALL. One would assume he'd get a national team cap soon - but he's a goalkeeper ... Nfitz (talk) 03:00, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly meets WP:FOOTYN, the player is playing the national premier league and also a possibility to play in the continental tournament. 11:53, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Clearly does not meet NFOOTY, despite what unsigned comment above says. Why was it even relisted? --BlameRuiner (talk) 06:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The standard for NFooty User:Drat8sub is that the league is fully-professional (and fully-professional leagues are listed at WP:FPL. The source there suggests otherwise, though in terms of professionality, it's talking about scheduling and communications - which aren't really criteria. The criteria is that the players on all teams are full-time paid players. I've always been somewhat suspicious that the teams may actually be fully-professional given the number of foreign players that some teams employ. Do you have references that support them being fully-professional? Nfitz (talk) 20:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , my bad, face palm indeed, didn't sign. ,as the other article I want to bring your notice again that WP:FPL has listed the leagues, no doubt, but the most important part of the whole project, i.e, "what is a fully professional league?", is not defined, so I am skeptical on what criteria the leagues are lsited. And along with that, this article shows the clubs are paying or trying to pay the salary in pandemic also. So, I don't know if they are not professional clubs why would they think of paying salary in a pandemic. Drat8sub (talk) 00:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I mentioned the criteria above - "the players on all teams are full-time paid players". i.e. they don't have other jobs on the side. Are there references that support this? Nfitz (talk) 01:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , also, I refer you to WP:NFOOTY rather than the long-superceded WP:FOOTYN. The reference you've shown primarily discusses pay to foreign players. It doesn't indicate the magnitude of payment. One measure of whether the league is fully professional, would be what is the 20th highest player on the lowest performing teams paid? I've no doubt the highest-paid player is indeed fully professional. Nfitz (talk) 18:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete = fails NFOOTY.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - ah, I finally figured out what I was missing. The name listed in this article is Pappu Hossain (পাপ্পু হোসাইন), but his full name appears to be Mohamed Pappu Hossain, and Bengali media often refer to him as Pappu Ahmed (পাপ্পু আহমেদ). Searching for that, rather than পাপ্পু হোসাইন gives hundreds of hits, rather than a dozen or so. And GNG is met with (https://www.prothomalo.com/sports/article/1614775 one), and (https://priyo.com/e/1150550 two). Nfitz (talk) 19:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 09:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Nfitz. The article's subject meets the notability guideline for inclusion in Wikipedia. CJK09 (talk) 19:37, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. --SalmanZ (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


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