Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parallel cocks


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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 22:24, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Parallel cocks

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Sources don't reflect the article's contents. Reads like original research. Citing (talk) 21:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Citing (talk) 21:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Citing (talk) 21:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I have never seen the term "parallel cocks" used in reference to a motif or a pattern (although it is apparently something you can have in watchmaking), but Confronted animals is a thing. I have seen it called coqs affrontés, for example in https://www.persee.fr/doc/bch_0007-4217_1965_num_89_1_2252, but I'm not sure what the English term would be. Vexations (talk) 17:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It could fit in as a section in that article, though I have no idea how common this search term would be. I'm not sure if this is a translation issue. The other thing is the sources don't mention cocks or roosters or this motif at all, save for an image or two.Citing (talk) 17:26, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think a redirect would work, because it is a very implausible search term, and it would point to an article that doesn't mention it. Perhaps we can encourage the creator to find better sources, and then add a section on use of the motif in Russian folk art to Confronted animals and delete this article. Vexations (talk) 17:43, 3 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Simply not notable at all. --RamotHacker (talk) 19:00, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , We have an essay about arguments to avoid in deletion discussions that you may find helpful. Vexations (talk) 19:49, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. A couple of birds facing each other is a common motif in Russian and more eastern folklore. Roosters are just one example, maybe not even the most typical. Something like confronted birds could be a better term. Dr.KBAHT (talk) 15:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Confronted birds occur in many cultures dating back to the ancient world. We already have an article at Confronted animals on this concept more broadly.4meter4 (talk) 20:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. In looking at the sources, the nominator is correct that none of the three sources verify the content in the article. The first two sources are how too embroidery guides, that while instructing one on how to stitch confronting birds, provide no actual historical evidence or assertions of their use in Russian culture. The last source also does not verify the content and is about mythological half bird half women and other Russian folk stories. While I don't doubt that confronting birds appears in Russian culture, I know that many other cultures globally have also used this motif and its not unique to Russian culture. I would have suggested a merge to Confronted animals, but without reliable sources there is nothing to merge. Likewise a redirect is not really appropriate because this isn't a typical English language expression of this concept and is an unlikely search term.4meter4 (talk) 22:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)


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