Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paris Ouest


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The result was   no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Rcsprinter  (whisper)  @ 10:21, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Paris Ouest

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I am a bit embarassed by this article. It seems to be done in good faith, shows some knowledge of Paris, and suggests some personal effort from the contributor. But the thing is there is no such thing as a well defined "Paris Ouest" that "has been associated with great wealth, elitism and social hegemony in French popular culture as well as in some masterpieces of French literature such as Balzac's La comédie humaine or Proust's In Search of Lost Time. ". The problem is that this phrase "Paris Ouest" is not commonly used, neither in every-day speech, nor in scholarly articles. If you look for it in Google, you mostly find references to "Paris Ouest" as a purely geographical area, that is often much larger that what the article states, and many working-class areas. So an article about "Paris Ouest" has a metonomy for "upper-class Parisians" is irrelevant. The article also defines Paris-Ouest as " four central and western Parisian arrondissements: the 6th, the 7th, the 8th and the 16th; and of the city of Neuilly-sur-Seine". But I cannot find that source for that outside Wikipedia, that sounds rather gratuitous to have an article aggregating those places into a single entity. Now, an article about upper-class neighborhoods in Paris could be interesting but it would be quite a bit different from this "Paris-Ouest" -- Superzoulou (talk) ''Note: This AfD is posted on behalf of Superzoulou at his request. I personally have no opinion either way. He prodded the article. I deprodded it as not being an uncontroversial deletion, as I believe it needs further discussion from those more knowledgeable about the subject. He requested I took it to AfD as he was not sure of the procedure. I have done so.'' -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 10:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge any relevant information into Paris and delete it. It seems the main sources are the books written by Monique and Michel Pinçon-Charlot and some parts of the article might very well include original research. I couldn't find any significant coverage, even inside the book sources (see:, , ). It is only mentioned twice in the first book and not even mentioned once in the other two, so if it is an expression, it is rarely used by the main sources. Nimuaq (talk) 18:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:10, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LlamaAl (talk) 00:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LlamaAl (talk) 00:08, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.