Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paris Ouest (2nd nomination)


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The result was   soft delete. J04n(talk page) 11:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Paris Ouest
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I already nominated this page for deletion, but it did not generate much discussion, perhaps because I expressed my rationale too mildly. "Paris-Ouest" simply does not exist in any way (apart tha "Université Paris-Ouest" refeers to Paris X Nanterre (a rather working class neighborhood by the way, not really in accordance with what this article describes). Superzoulou (talk) 08:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:16, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. Googling a bit, it seems you are right that Paris-Ouest is mainly used for the University. I did see some references to "l´Ouest" as the rich part of the city, like "A Paris, l'Est vote Aubry, l'Ouest préfère Hollande", but using it as a concept (the rich areas) may be a bit different from using it as a definitive name: Paris-Ouest. Would be nice if some French chimed in, I notice they don't seem to have this article at the French Wikipedia, which may be an indication that it is not a common accepted area name. I'm leaning Delete here, maybe there is a possibility for restructuring/renaming or merging, but lack of proper sources in the article is an argument against that. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 14:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, "l'Ouest parisien" is grammatically different from "Paris-Ouest". It refers to something rather vague, while "Paris-Ouest" suggests some kind of official concept, or at least a well defined area. While, on average, the Western part of Paris is substantially richer than the Eastern part, things are nowhere as clear-cut as the article has us believe. Actually, the article needs to change its definition of Paris-Ouest across paragraphs to fit its purpose (first the area around the "Voie Royale" and then the 6th, 7th, 8th and 16th arrondissement). Personal disclosure: I guess I should be considered a "Western-Parisian". --Superzoulou (talk) 08:03, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran ( t  •  c ) 00:59, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment I have requested French input. See here Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 01:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete for now unless some French argue against it. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 17:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment a requested French input ;D Historically, l'ouest est bourgeois, l'est est ouvrier. But the concept « Paris Ouest » is more than rare (this ?), except for the University (not located in the concerned & rich "Paris-Ouest" area). I agree with previous comments: leaning towards deletion; the lack of sources makes the case hopeless. (copy/paste, thx Superzoulou) Personal disclosure: I guess I should be considered a "south-western-Parisian". Alvar ☮ 19:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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