Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paris pour un beefsteak


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. So Why  08:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Paris pour un beefsteak

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Historical song which doesn't appear to be notable. Perhaps a candidate for transwiki to Wikisource? creffett (talk) 01:32, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's pretty notable, having its own article on the French Wikipedia. It was one of the most important Socialist songs during the Commune, published by Blanqui's journal, him being one of the most notable Socialists of the 19th century. It's in many collections of 19th century French Socialist songs, and it's been translated to Italian. Antondimak (talk) 06:14, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. creffett (talk) 01:32, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. creffett (talk) 01:32, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I have no opinion yet on whether the song is notable, but I agree that the complete lyrics, in French, belong on Wikisource. There is no benefit to English Wikipedia in having untranslated French lyrics, and we are going to need more than the single reference which is sufficient on French Wikipedia. There may well be sources which can be used to write about the origins, meaning, impact, history, etc, of the song. Antondimak, do you know of any other books or scholarly articles which discuss this song? RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:26, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 17:45, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America1000 19:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete or possibly transwikify. This is a quotation not an article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - am finding many French citations. I saw one English language citation that stated that this song was "widely sung" during French Commune rebellion and its artist was popular.  That makes it notable in my opinion.  https://books.google.com/books?id=89KYDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA194&lpg=PA194&dq=paris+pour+un+beefsteak&source=bl&ots=9QGo1TWMRf&sig=ACfU3U32MbeEvs8GG1hJkJr4yy1fzEnFLQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJyd7Axb_lAhVEnFkKHTS9D_gQ6AEwDXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=paris%20pour%20un%20beefsteak&f=false  Rogermx (talk) 18:12, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to list some of the French citations for this? The English language citation seems pretty minor to me, and I am not sure that is enough to prove notability by itself, but the French citations may be helpful in further assessing it. Apologies for the question. I just wanted to get more information before casting a vote in any direction. Aoba47 (talk) 16:17, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –&#8239;Joe (talk) 13:10, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: The English source provided above is not enough to satisfy WP:GNG. If the French citations can be provided, I will change my vote, but I do not see enough coverage to support notability for this subject matter. Aoba47 (talk) 21:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. The song has its own entry in a French language academic encyclopedia (see ). Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia. If other encyclopedias are covering a topic, we should too.4meter4 (talk) 03:38, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


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