Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parkside Avenue


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The result was   delete. Zero arguments have been presented to show how this article passes WP:GNG. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  essay  // 20:04, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Parkside Avenue

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Completing nomination for User:69.122.92.152, whose rationale was: "Articie is about a tiny, minor street in Brooklyn that fails WP:NTSR and Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Streets#Guidelines. Parkside Avenue has no unique features, did not become synonymous with a major industry or organization, nothing notable ever happened there, and was never mentioned significantly in any books, films, shows, etc. Having one measly local subway station named after it (which was actually named for another street when it opened) certainly does not make it notable since we don't have articles on every single street that has a station serving or named after it and they're meant to serve the surrounding area, not just the one street they're named after." I am neutral and not watching this discussion, so if you want me to get involved send me a ping. Ansh666 02:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - A street that it was decided to build a subway station on, the Parkside Avenue (BMT Brighton Line), is certainly notable. Subway stations are not built on insignificant streets.  And this street, the entire southern border of Prospect Park (Brooklyn), is not "tiny" as the anon claims.--Oakshade (talk) 04:57, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per Oakshade. It needed cleaning up, which I did, per WP:HEY, but that is never a reason to delete. This is a perfectly notable street; note the landmarks and transportation hubs on virtually every corner. It may not be famous outside of NYC, but it's notable. Bearian (talk) 16:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Your edits do not prove any notability. Almost every street in New York has a point of interest like a school or hospital and at least one bus stop at one of its intersections. Being the border of a notable park also does not merit notability, especially since the southern border of Prospect Park is only a 1/2 mile long.
 * Delete. I'm not convinced that notability is inherited from the subway station. Yes, not every street gets one, but getting one doesn't necessarily make a street notable. I don't see what makes this street otherwise notable; can sources be found and provided that prove notability beyond "WP:ITSNOTABLE because..."? - The Bushranger One ping only 21:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Park Avenue is an example of a notable street. Perhaps Park Avenue is being confused with Parkside Avenue for which there seems to be little to say about. Soranoch (talk) 23:46, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete No significant coverage, evidence of meeting WP:GNG, no notable residents, or mentioning in any mainstream media, for this 1.5 mile-long street. This is just another case where people think a street is automatically notable because it has a subway station named after it (as a matter of fact, the station was not even called Parkside Avenue when it opened in 1907). They do not always serve notable, well-known streets. If that were the case, we would have 400+ more street articles saying something like "179th Street is a two-block long street in Jamaica, Queens served by the F train" or "Saratoga Avenue is a one-way street in Brownsville, Brooklyn served by the 3 train." Stations are meant to serve their surrounding area, not just the one street they are named after (not everyone who uses the Parkside Avenue station actually live or work on Parkside Avenue). This is proven by the fact that many stations, including Parkside Avenue, have entrances/exits to more than one street, a few are named after the neighborhood they serve, not the streets they are accessible to, and some do not actually have an entrance/exit to the streets they are named after. We had a similar AfD for 20th Avenue, another non-notable street in Brooklyn that has two subway stations serving it, in January. It was redirected to Brooklyn streets, which has an entry for it in its chart. In this case, however, I can't find any other article that mentions Parkside Avenue except the subway station, which would not be appropriate at this time due to a naming conflict on Talk:Parkside Avenue (BMT Brighton Line). The Legendary Ranger (talk) 17:50, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep As mentioned, there is sufficient encyclopedic material for any street in a large city-or at least any street that has any special feature, such as the location of a subway station. I know we have often not accepted these, but it's a mistake; just as we accept even the smallest village, we should accept these also. Park Avenue is not merely a notable street, but a famous street, which is fart above the notability standard. WP is not limited to the famous, or it would be a very small encyclopedia. The other streets mentioned here would also make adequate articles--I think it likely that there are a good many literary references to Saratoga Avenue in Brownsville..   DGG ( talk ) 04:11, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment – The article was written only after admin JHunterJ moved the page Parkside Avenue (BMT Brighton Line), only to have it be moved back by Vcohen. I would personally say keep, though the "subway station makes it notable" argument is a fallacy. Epicgenius (give him tirade • check out damage)  22:08, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * My move of the station title to the base name per WP:PRECISION and the subsequent move of it back to create the article on the avenue solely to justify the qualifier on the station article has no bearing on the keepability of the avenue article. -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. A subway station is not a unique feature. -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Mass transit stops are very common features in every major city the world like New York, Tokyo, Paris, etc. They alone don't make streets notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.146.209.43 (talk) 01:01, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I've not argued that a subway station makes a street an automatically notable one; in fact, I believe otherwise. Rather, I argue it's notable because (a) it has several landmarks such as medical offices, schools, etc., (b) it bisects a world-famous park, and (c) it's a transportation hub, as shown on the Metropolitan Transportation Authority map.  These are the sorts of properties that would make a street notable.  I also point out the precedent of Articles for deletion/Madison Street (Manhattan) was an example where we have kept a very similar steeet. Bearian (talk) 21:16, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per The Bushranger's accurate analysis. No sources were provided to prove notability, the arguments about an inherited notability of the street are not convincing enough. Cavarrone 05:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.