Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parrises Squares


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was merge and redirect to List of games in Star Trek, a new article provided by Fayenatic. Very good work. Cool Hand Luke 08:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Parrises Squares

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Delete - no real-world significance and no reliable sources establishing the notability of this fictional game. Otto4711 19:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete No secondary osurces to establish notability or provide real world context. Jay32183 21:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect into one of the ST:TNG articles. Those of us who watched "Star Trek: The Next Generation" are aware of this running gag.  The series ran for several years, and they never DID explain how the hell "Parrisses Squares" worked, although one inferred that it was a sport of some sort.  Every so often, a character would mention it as something they knew about, but that we 20th century people had to wonder about.  I agree that that's not enough for a stand alone article, but this is nicely written and might fit into one of the many TNG articles in Wikipedia. Mandsford 01:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to new article List of games in Star Trek. It certainly seems sufficiently notable to me to retain a brief explanation of this game somewhere in Wikipedia, although Otto has already expressed his disagreement at Articles for deletion/Kadis-kot. It was mentioned in multiple episodes in ST:Voyager as well as ST:TNG. I don't think it would fit naturally into any existing character/episode article within Category:Star Trek: The Next Generation, so the most appropriate article would be a new List of games in Star Trek spanning all the TV series of the franchise. However, if there is a consensus agreeing with Otto that every item in a Wikipedia list needs evidence of its own notability, there will be no point me creating the list only for it to be deleted. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * SEE DRAFT HERE for merged List of games in Star Trek.
 * That merger wouldn't solve anything. "Games in Star Trek" doesn't have secondary sources to establish notability or provide real world context, so making a list of the games would fail WP:LIST. If there isn't any real world information in the list, it still fails WP:PLOT. -- Jay32183 (talk) 20:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Request:Does anyone have access to The Influence of Star Trek on Television, Film and Culture, please? Sounds like a useful secondary source. - Fayenatic (talk) 22:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Otto raised a question at Articles for deletion/Kadis-kot: is our understanding of the character Harry Kim any different for knowing that he was a champion at Parrises Squares versus say football or squash? The answer is certainly Yes in this case. It is consistently implied in multiple episodes that playing this game carries a high risk of serious personal injury, so being a Parrisses Squares champ therefore does imply more about the character than being a football star or squash champ. The game is therefore of some notability as a plot element. - Fayenatic (talk) 09:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And as was noted in that same discussion, rugby and American football carry a high risk of personal injury, as do any number of other sports. It does not increase our understanding of the character to know that Kim was a P.S. champion and, even if it does, that doesn't mean that an article is required for the fictional sport in the absence of any reliable secondary sources. Otto4711 (talk) 16:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge and Redirect to List of games in Star Trek, article is not sufficiently notable to stand alone, but would make a good group article -- Maelwys (talk) 18:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect per Fayenatic. --Fang Aili talk 03:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.