Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parsons Music Group


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 15:17, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Parsons Music Group

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The subject of this article does not show notability in its current form as all sources cited are either related to the subject or press release. Northern Escapee (talk) 17:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Northern Escapee (talk) 17:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Northern Escapee (talk) 17:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  17:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - no evidence of passing WP:NCORP and lacks independent sourcing Spiderone  14:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete No significant coverage - fails WP:GNG. SK2242 (talk) 20:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "Founded in 1986, Parsons Music is now the largest music retailer in China and the eighth-largest in the world. Terence and Arling Ng's first location, however, was nothing more than a 300-square-foot lesson studio in Hong Kong. The founders set up their first retail store in the late '80s, and by the early '90s had six locations. With the seventh, the company had its breakthrough, setting up shop in Hong Kong's Times Square, the island's most popular retail district. Today, the Times Square store occupies two floors and 20,000 square feet. Already established in mainland China, Parsons expanded with the reunification of Hong Kong and China in 1997, bringing an array of previously unavailable foreign-made music products into the nation. In the same year, Parsons entered the manufacturing sector, consulting and collaborating with piano makers from Asia, Europe, and North America to form an elaborate operation of its own." Additional information from the article:It started over 80 music schools in mainland China and Hong Kong.It was founded and led by Arling Ng and her brother and co-CEO Terence Ng.It has over 30 stores in Hong Kong and over 60 in mainland China.<li>It has accounts on Facebook and WeChat.</li><li>It has its full retail inventory on the Internet.</li><li>It has eight manufacturing facilities. A major facility is in Hubei. Another facility is called Qingdao Sejung Guitar Factory.</li><li>500 dealers in mainland China sell products created by Parsons. They export the products to 24 countries aside from China.</li><li>It purchased Wilh. Steinberg, a "renowned German piano brand dating back 130 years".</li><li>The article says Parsons "has tapped into seismic cultural shifts in China: broader freedoms, a better-educated populace, and a growing middle class". The article provides further analysis, noting, "As interest rose in not just music products but high-quality music products, Parsons met demand with modern-format retail stores stocking varied name-brand goods".</li></ol></li> <li> Information from the article:<ol><li>Parsons Music Corporation was founded in Hong Kong in 1986.</li><li>It settled down in Yichang in 2000 with Yichang being the center of its piano production.</li><li>It purchased the 138-year-old German piano company Wilh. Steinberg.</li><li>Germany, Austria, Great Britain, the United States, Japan, South Korean, Southeast Asia, Hong Kong, and over 40 countries and regions import its products.</li><li>Its sales revenue is over ¥2 billion.</li><li>It has over 2,500 employees.</li><li>Its subsidiary manufactures 56,000 upright pianos and 8,000 grand pianos every year. This is one-seventh of all pianos created in the world.</li></ol></li> <li> The article notes: "Parsons Music Corporation exhibited on a grand scale at Music China, with a presence to match its prominence and contributions to the Chinese music products market. ... In addition to being China's top music products retailer, with more than 100 stores in 26 cities throughout China, Parsons Music Corporation manufactures instruments including guitars and the acclaimed Yangtze River Piano line and imports and distributes many major international brands. The company employees around 5,000 part-time music teachers, and 80-90% of its stores have integrated lesson facilities. Parsons also cooperates with the China Musical Instrument Association (CMIA—"China's NAMM") and the government's education department to establish national music education standards."</li> <li> The article notes: "As a leading promoter of music making in mainland China and one of China's major manufacturers and distributors, Parsons exhibited world-class pianos from Fazioli, Kawai, Wilhelm Steinberg, and Yangtze River; Orange and Hughes & Kettner amplifiers; Ludwig drums and percussion; and the entire family of Conn-Selmer products. ... With nearly 100 locations in Mainland China and Hong Kong, Parsons is China's largest music retailer. Though it is best known for its attractive selection of pianos and promotion of musical culture through pianos festivals and competitions, it is also expanding its guitar and combo gear product offerings."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Parsons Music Group to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 05:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)</li></ul>

<ul><li>Just added more information from a different source (bloomberg). I put all the information i find from official sources. I thing is very relevant to have a article on a company that already owns a important part of the piano manufacturing industry and here other people can add more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElcapitainFCP (talk • contribs) 22:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC) </li></ul>


 * I copied the above comment from from Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Parsons Music Group. Cunard (talk) 05:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of notability. Certainly doesn't satisfy WP:NCORP. Lord Grandwell (talk) 23:20, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: The sources I provided strongly establish notability per WP:NCORP. The Music Trades article notes, "Founded in 1986, Parsons Music is now the largest music retailer in China and the eighth-largest in the world." Cunard (talk) 13:08, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per the sources found by User: Cunard showing that the company is notable per WP:NCORP. VocalIndia (talk) 05:41, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify as there is a good probability that sources exist in other languages such as Chinese and this appears to be a prolific chain of music stores in China, otherwise I would !vote to Delete as none of the references meet the criteria for establishing notability. The references posted by Cunard are promo pieces in a trade magazine and another in a Chinese magazine. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 20:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

<ul><li>Comment: I do not consider the The Music Trades articles to be promotional. The Music Trades is not just a trade magazine; it is a well-respected publication with a long history. In the book "Encyclopedia of Great Popular Song Recordings, Volume 1" written by Steve Sullivan and published by Scarecrow Press here, Sullivan wrote, "I came upon a truly extraordinary source: The Music Trades, a weekly magazine founded in 1890 and still publishing today. In its in-depth coverage of current popular songs and developments in the music industry, The Music Trades was light-years beyond every other publication of its time, offering a staggering amount of on-the-spot information and commentary that often shatters or sharply modifies what latter-day historians have written." Here are two additional sources:<ol> <li> This article from the Beijing Business Today (zh:北京商报) was published seven days after I posted my first comment at this AfD. It profiles Perth Music Group.</li> <li> The article notes about Parsons Music Group: "The main competitor to Tom Lee in terms of big player instrument sellers in the city. However, don’t let the fact that this multinational is somewhat ubiquitous across Hong Kong and China fool you into thinking that its products are of lesser quality. Fact is, Parsons are an award-winning instrument company and one of the world’s top three piano manufacturers."</li> </ol>Cunard (talk) 09:08, 4 January 2021 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * The quote you provided on The Music Trades should be read in context to fully understand the meaning. The quote appears in the introduction to the author's book on "Encyclopedia of Great Popular Song Recordings" and the book is organized into ten playlists. The author highlights the difficulty experienced in locating information on recording artists of the pre-1920 era and it is in that context that your quote belongs - that The Music Trades magazine publishes in-depth coverage of popular music songs and that latter-day historians can use the information to assist in compiling lists of the top popular songs of a particular era. I do not understand how this quote might support your statement that the Music Trades magazine is more than a trade magazine for the purposes of establishing notability. I've reviewed the references from The Music Trades and they are "profiles" and/or promotional profiles and are marked as such in a number you've referenced. The TimeOut reference is an article that lists places to buy musical instruments in Hong Kong. It is very short and is not in-depth nor significant. All that said, having spent the past hour looking for references and reading about this company, I'm of the view that there are probably sources in languages such as Chinese that may not be easily retrieved by me. I'll change my !vote to Draftify and perhaps some other sources might be found. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 15:00, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


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