Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parth (horse)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. WP:SNOW The Bushranger One ping only 04:55, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Parth (horse)

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Misinformation RecordClean (talk) 07:33, 11 June 2012 (UTC) — RecordClean (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * What is the misinformation? Are you alleging the article is a hoax (that is, the content is entirely fictitious)?  Or are there just some factual inaccuracies in it?  If the latter, the proper course of action is to fix the problems, not delete the whole article. —Psychonaut (talk) 09:43, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Arc de Triomphe winners should be notable. I can sort the article out later today, no worries.  Tigerboy1966   10:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Tigerboy1966, who is a respected member of WikiProject horse racing. If he checks it out as a legit winner of the Arc de Triomphe and not a hoax or fictitious animal, then it stands as notable and relevant.  Could use a few sources, though.   Montanabw (talk) 16:16, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I think that the problem may have arisen by the fact that all reference to Parth and all his descendants appear to have deleted from the Pedigree Query website. Not a problem. It can all be sourced elsewhere. On reflection, I think that this should actually be a speedy keep as the nominator has not adequately explained hisher reasons for deletion.  Tigerboy1966  17:51, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article seems very well sourced now thanks to Tigerboy. —Psychonaut (talk) 18:31, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep with the improvements made by Tigerboy1966 especially given the lack of specific concern by RecordClean. -- KTC (talk) 22:10, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organisms-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete and Modify title There is no picture of the horse Parth crossing the winning line for the Arc de Triomphe. These references are all based on Australian and New Zealand Newspapers and there are no accurate listings in English or French papers. Also, the original owner (Mathradas Golcudas) has very little accurate content in his wiki.  The article listing should also be titled as Arc de Triomphe (horses), then have the horse names listed in the article for proper reference as there are more significant definitions for Parth, Polymelus, etc... in the known world other than that of race horses.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RecordClean (talk • contribs) 21:49, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The location of a source is irrelevant, nor is the status of the horse's owner on Wikipedia. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Most of the references do not include American newspaper listings and also there is very little content for Parth in the current references and article.
 * Contemporary British papers aren't freely available on line but I've added a modern reference from The Independent. American newspapers didn't pay much attention to racing in France. Australasian newspapers provide reliable contemporary sources: in fact they often reprinted reports from original British sources.  Tigerboy1966   22:20, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement that sources be American, or even in English for that matter. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep: Here is a source from the DRF for Parth's win in the Arc In case it does not display for everyone, it says "PARIS, France, Oct 8. A. K. Macomber's Parth, ridden by the American jockey Frank O'Neill, beat H. Ternynck's Massine by a neck in the $60,000 Prix de Triomphe at Longchamps yesterday. Only a neck farther back came C. Ranucci's Filibert de Savoie, winner of the Grand Prix de Paris." The London Times also mentions the horse won. Addressing the OP's other points, 1) if a photograph was needed for documentation of every race win (especially from a 1923 race :) most articles (animal and human) would need to be deleted; 2) a poor article for the original owner has no bearing on the horse article (which is now well referenced); 3) The Arc and Parth articles are already disambiguated, note ending (horse) after name and designation Prix, so suggestions not making much sense. I'm having difficulty seeing what the objections to the article are. Does RecordClean have info that another horse won the 1923 Arc? Sorry if I'm being snippy, but this request seems silly to me.  Froggerlaura  ribbit 23:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * La revue de France Volume 6 from 1923 also mentions Parth winning over Massine . "Tout le monde sait que Parth enfin, si anglais, avec sa forte membrure et sa puissante masse bien découpée, est venu arracher le prix de l'Arc de Triomphe à nos Massine et à nos Filibert" (roughly, Everyone knows that the English Parth, with his strong frame and powerful body, snatched the le prix de l'Arc de Triomphe from our Massine and Filibert). Froggerlaura  ribbit 23:41, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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