Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Partho Folia


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  02:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Partho Folia

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This caught my interest as a few years ago I found a sock farm dedicated to creating the biography of this individual (Sockpuppet investigations/Parthop.folia). Let's look at the sources, 1 [| one line saying his name and profession with no photographs similar to a contributor page], 2 (a press release from Ganchill about a Youtube Video he is involved in), 3 (a long list of Youtube videos being released on occasion of Eid), 4 (404 error), 5 (one line mentioning he is the producer), 6 (his name on what seems like a Russian version of IMDB), 7 (press release about the same YouTube video as source 2 and one line mentioning he directed) 8 (an interview, primary source), 9 (a short filed he directed was awarded by the Children's Film Society Bangladesh, a non notable organization) 10 (a press release about a film with one line mentioning he directed it.), 11 (About a YouTube short with one line mentioning him as director) 12 (has no mention of him and is about Sandhya Mukherjee, an Indian singer), 13 (an interview; primary source) 14 (a press release about a short film with one line mentioning his as the producer), 15 (Interview with an unreliable source), 16 (a list of short films/ YoutTube videos at the non-notable Moinho Cine Fest), 17 (One a YouTube video with one line mentioning his as the director), 18 (A press release on a YouTube Video with one line mentioning his as a director), 19. (A press release on a YouTube Video (same video by Ganchill) with one line mentioning his as a director) 20 (same as 18 and 19), 21 (same as 18, 19, and 21), 22 ( a listing of YouTube specials on Eid) 23 (seems like a IMDB mirror site), 24 (interview with the same unreliable source from 15) 23 (IMDB style listing of short film) 24 (Another page from the Russian site that looks like an IMDB mirror), 25 ( a singer saying he wont copyright claim a version of his song released on YouTube and one line mentioning the subject of this article is the director. None reliable source), 26 (reprint of the same article as 25 by another unreliable source). There isn't enough in-depth independent coverage in reliable sources to meet notability guidelines.-Vinegarymass911 (talk) 04:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 04:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 04:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 04:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * @Vinegarymass911, I will reply in detail, but for now, The Daily Star source (12) was a mistake, it was supposed to be this:https://www.thedailystar.net/entertainment/music/news/bappa-mazumder-answers-nikuchi-kori-ami-mystery-new-song-2195931 I guess I copied wrong url. And I know it's just passing mention. Well, yeah. Cause graphics designing isn't the subject's main gig, just side kicks, so I just used the sources to make the info verifiable.-- Tame (talk) 07:22, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep You can check the talk page of the article, I already discussed the sock parts. So, you said, There isn't enough in-depth independent coverage in reliable sources to meet notability guidelines. This from Jugantor is an in-depth coverage of him and his short film Jok and also briefly mentions other films. At the end of the article, it contains 1-2 lines of interview, which doesn't make it primary for its entirety. And there are a lot of sources that are solely about his films. And you used the term "YouTube video", which IMO downplayed the fact that it was actually a TV Drama which was "released on YouTube." In one of the sources, it reads: "New music videos, web series and short films are usually released on YouTube. On the other hand, there is a large audience for the TV drama. Because, the dramas can be enjoyed anytime without any ad break on YouTube. The latest addition to this is 'Opekkha.'" The drama stars Tasnuva Tisha, and is notable, and the drama has the potential of a page in wiki. Then you wrote, (Interview with an unreliable source) so by your logic any publication that doesn't have a wiki yet is unreliable? I use The Business Standard a lot as a source in articles, which doesn't have a page, so now it is unreliable too? I know the page contains primary material, but with due respect, this is AFD, you can't just write a newspaper off, which didn't have any reliability noticeboard consensus. And you said Kinopoisk is a Russian version of IMDb? IDTS, IMDb data are user generated, unlike this, which is beside the point, I just used it just to consolidate the fact that he directed the films. Same goes with Radio Times sources. And I admit, there are some sources that "contains" interview along with independent factual data, for example his film names, or awards they won, or in which festivals they were screened on, and then they contain the interview part, for example asking him his future plans, influences, all of which are not talked about in the article, since I couldn't find any independent source that mention those. In any case, I used the sources just to use as a reference to the factual data, such as his film names, I didn't mention any PS material in the article, so just writing those sources off as "PS" isn't really appropriate. And besides his short films, he also directed music video. And his films are talked about in the media, in both PS form, PR form, but also Independent form. Also, his films were screened in numerous national and international film festivals, won some, also got critic praise, for example from bn:সেলিনা হোসেন. Although none of them has a wiki yet. His short film Jok received significant coverage, including a few others. IMO the person is a notable director. Even with the PS token, I mean a non notable film maker wouldn't be interviewed repeatedly by reliable pubs. And as I said, has independent, in depth to some extent coverage from reliable media. Tame (talk) 08:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: To discuss the possible existence of in-depth sources Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  01:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Figuring this out is difficult for 2 reasons: 1) few of the sources are in English, and it is always recommended that one use English language sources if they exist and 2) a lot of the sources are not actual information sources, but are things such as links to video listings. It would be easier to assess this article if the non-sources were removed and we could see what remains when only reliable sources are used. But as per Nom, reliable sources seem scarce. Lamona (talk) 05:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lamona, But as per Nom, reliable sources seem scarce
 * I already discussed about the sources, they might seem "scarce" to you or the nominator, but not every one them are. I expressed this also earlier on a previous AFD, most people just take a cursory look at foreign sources, not bothering at least trying to translate them. PS: Except one or two, most of them have a wiki page, and are legit, reliable pubs. Tame (talk) 06:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Tame you indicated one source that is in-depth. You seem to say that the others (such as the one you quote/translate) are what we would call 'mentions'. No number of mentions = in-depth. If you have other in-depth sources, please note them here. Lamona (talk) 15:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - please link the three best sources and I'll translate them to review. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  01:14, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete I looked at all the sources using Google Translate and there is no significant coverage whatsoever. The vast majority of the sources are simply directorial credits (or credits for production or graphic design). The exceptions are a few interviews (which do not contribute to notability) and a promotional-type piece which is like an interview in that Folia is mostly talking about himself. Having said that, the director is obviously amassing a body of work so I think this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. What is needed are some articles about him and that are not merely credits or interviews. Curiocurio (talk) 02:16, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - I translated a few of the sources for Jok, the ones that supposedly substantiate that it's an award-winning film, but couldn't find anything about awards. They are just announcements that the film was screened at those festivals. There was nothing in-depth about the director. Unless the films are notable, one can't make the case that the director is, since that's all he's known for. Fails WP:NDIRECTOR. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  22:07, 7 February 2022 (UTC)


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