Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Participatory grantmaking


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   snow delete. BencherliteTalk 16:15, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Participatory grantmaking

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Non-notable neologism for which there is insufficient independently-published sourcing to satisfy the General Notability Guideline. Carrite (talk) 17:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - This has been the subject of a thread at Wikipediocracy involving a convoluted connection between a paid consulting firm, WMF, WMF employees creating content relating to the consulting firm's concept, and the consulting firm lauding WMF for its leadership in the concept being created. I don't believe that the concept being touted is more than a non-notable neologism and would like the community's input as to whether this piece should stand under GNG. Carrite (talk) 17:27, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete unless some decent references can be provided very quickly. I can see absolutely nothing in the article to suggest this isn't just buzzword used by one organisation for the concept the rest of the world knows as "service user involvement", and if I weren't AGFing I'd say it looks suspiciously like a PR firm trying to create a non-existent field in which their client just happens to be the self-proclaimed expert. It's just about possible that a viable article could be made on SUI, although I'd be sceptical that it needs anything more than a sentence in Grant (money), but Wikipedia doesn't need an article on a little-used term that appears only to be used by one firm, and certainly doesn't need an article with a reference section as dubious-looking as this one. – iridescent  17:51, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * DELETE STRONG delete. The conflict of interest and circularity is off-the-charts bad here. The article was almost entirely created by Wikimedia Foundation employees, singing the praises of the Wikimedia Foundation, and it has no substantive sourcing that doesn't cite directly or indirectly to a single report which was BOUGHT by the Wikimedia Foundation. Burn it with fire. Alsee (talk) 18:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete no evidence of notability whatsoever, and the article reads like a soapbox piece. The WMF/Ijon should be ashamed of themselves, because this is beyond ridiculous. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 18:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per Alsee. That's just about it, really, except I'd burn it hotter. Begoon &thinsp; talk  18:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. I've had my eye on this one and someone beat me to it. It has some minor mentions in some texts, but it doesn't appear to have the sort of widespread usage to even consider an article at this point. Thargor Orlando (talk) 18:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - AfD policy says, "While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the articles that you are nominating for deletion." It appears that this has not been done.  Also, those evaluating this AfD should be advised and aware that a permanently banned Wikipedian, Gregory Kohs, with his commentary on Wikipediocracy and on his news story at Examiner.com ("Wikimedia Foundation caught self-promoting on Wikipedia", Feb 21) is largely responsible for the attention being given to this Wikipedia article.  Your Delete decision may be interpreted by some as a show of support for Mr. Kohs' tactics. - 2001:558:1400:10:2C22:7EAC:8121:DDB6 (talk) 18:31, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. The article still needs the urgent application of a flamethrower, though. Maybe we can use a loving and thoughtful flamethrower and catch up on the paperwork later? Begoon &thinsp; talk  18:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Notifying article creator: ✅
 * I have no idea who Gregory Kohs is or what his issue is, but this article is clearly problematical no matter who drew attention to it. Alsee (talk) 19:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * How is writing a news article a bad tactic that shouldn't be supported?Bosstopher (talk) 01:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete I do know who Gregory Kohs is and disapprove of his obsession with criticizing Wikipedia everywhere, at all times, for everything imaginable. But this article should be deleted for the reasons stated eloquently by the nominator and others. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  23:06, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. Results of a Google search:
 * 124 occurrences online of "participatory grantmaking" without a mention of Lafayette, Wikimedia or Wikipedia
 * 178 occurrences online of "participatory grantmaking" with a mention of Lafayette, Wikimedia or Wikipedia
 * Just looking for "participatory grantmaking" without any other arguments yields "about 154" results:
 * From these results it appears that well over half of all online mentions of this term are somehow connected to Lafayette and/or Wikimedia.
 * Note Meta edit by a WMF staffer on July 22, 2014, adding Lafayette to the Wikimania schedule: July 28, LaFayette's Matthew Hart tweets about Wikimania:  August 7 tweets:  Andreas  JN 466 07:09, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable marketing cruft with scant hope of improvement, ethical issues aside.  Hi DrNick ! 15:24, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. An article about a marketing term used primarily by one company, sourced mainly to a publication of the company using it, to Wikimedia blogs regarding WMF's deal with that company, to the version history of the article itself(!), and to sources that don't appear to contain the term (only one non-Lafayette source mentions it, as far as I can see)? It's blatant marketing, and I'd say it's even close to a G11 speedy delete. Squinge (talk) 15:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.