Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pascal & Pearce


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The result was no consensus.  So Why  08:00, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Pascal & Pearce

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Despite a wealth of references, I can see none that convey notability or get even close to satisfying WP:MUSIC. Many listings and track listings, several nominations for awards but no evidence of a record in the country's charts etc. Several daughter articles have been spawned off the back of this article including separate articles on discography and individual albums, none of which, I suspect, are notable.  Velella  Velella Talk 16:17, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep for now, pending a refutation of my reasoning. - They have been nominated twice for the South African Music Awards.  Musical notability guidelines provide that nomination for a major award is a qualifying criterion.  So it really comes down to whether the South African Music Awards are of the same standing as the American Grammy Awards.  The Delete argument would appear to turn on saying that national awards only count depending on the size of the country (and South Africa is a medium-sized country, not a small country).  I am ready for an argument that South African nominations don't count, but for now I am inclined to read the notability guideline literally.
 * Comment - If this article is deleted, the daughter articles can mostly go A9. If this article is kept, we can have a merge/keep debate on each, and I think some should be merged and some kept.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:39, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - By the way, I am beginning to think that I am a deletionist, but, if so, I am a deletionist who nonetheless favors "strict construction" of specific notability guidelines. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment response - - I did look at South African Music Awards to see whether that helps in clarifying the applicability of our policies - it doesn't. I tried the web-site which left me with the strong impression that anybody in South Africa can be nominated, including self-nominated, for an award. There is then some verification and initial adjudication process which produces a list of "Nominees". If included on that short list of nominees, I would expect to see a status of "Nominee" in the article table and not "Nominated".  If this is the correct interpretation, then no notability can attend upon the status "nominated" although the winner of an award might well be considered notable as per the BAFTAs. Grammy etc.  Velella  Velella Talk  19:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:02, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


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