Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paska (singer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Joyous! | Talk 16:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Paska (singer)

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:35, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Finland.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:42, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - As I noted on the article talk page before this AfD, there's plenty of Finnish language newspaper coverage about the artist, that I believe establish very well that the subject passes WP:GNG:
 * The paywalled Helsingin Sanomat articles include fairly extensive bios. There are further sources about the one-man-band/artist in the two associated fi.wp articles: fi:Paska (artisti) and fi:Ari Peltonen, including at least one further Helsingin Sanomat piece from 2006, an article in the Ruotuväki magazine, another in NY Press, reviews at noise.fi and desibeli, and a book titled Jee jee jee. Suomalaisen rockin historia by Seppo Bruun, Jukka Lindfors, Santtu Luoto and Markku Salo. Notably, these are the sources that are found easily without delving into the newspaper archives from the 90s, which presumably contain further non-trivial coverage about how his show caused two interpellations in the Finnish parliament.
 * Moving the article Ari Peltonen might not be a bad move (based on the sourcing, he appears to have garnered more coverage as a radio personality rather than as an artist), but that's outside the purview of an AfD.
 * , as the nominator, could you give a brief outline of why you believe these sources are insufficient to establish notability? Simply asserting Lack of notability without even stating what you believe the relevant notability guideline(s) to be is not very helpful. -Ljleppan (talk) 16:55, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I took a quick look at the National Library of Finland's newspaper archives. Online access to papers from 1950s to present requires a researcher account, hence no links below, but ask and I'll give a brief rundown. Searching is complicated by there being a newspaper photographer of the same name, which causes a ton of false positives in the search results, and the subject's real name being mentioned in a billion radio programme guides. Anyway, here's some hits I found about the subject from a casual browse: A full-page story in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 2004-10-01. Same(?) story also in Länsi-Savo on the same day. A full spread in Ruotuväki story on 2005-07-05. A two-thirds-page in Jakobstads Tidning on 2008-02-29. A page-minus-a-column in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 2008-03-20. Two-thirds-page in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 2006-07-27. Short'ish (a few paras) book review in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 1993-09-26. Multiple paras in Länsi-Savo on 1994-08-15. There's probably more to be found (especially if I fiddled with the search terms), but I'd imagine that's plenty to get the discussion rolling. Ljleppan (talk) 17:56, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The paywalled Helsingin Sanomat articles include fairly extensive bios. There are further sources about the one-man-band/artist in the two associated fi.wp articles: fi:Paska (artisti) and fi:Ari Peltonen, including at least one further Helsingin Sanomat piece from 2006, an article in the Ruotuväki magazine, another in NY Press, reviews at noise.fi and desibeli, and a book titled Jee jee jee. Suomalaisen rockin historia by Seppo Bruun, Jukka Lindfors, Santtu Luoto and Markku Salo. Notably, these are the sources that are found easily without delving into the newspaper archives from the 90s, which presumably contain further non-trivial coverage about how his show caused two interpellations in the Finnish parliament.
 * Moving the article Ari Peltonen might not be a bad move (based on the sourcing, he appears to have garnered more coverage as a radio personality rather than as an artist), but that's outside the purview of an AfD.
 * , as the nominator, could you give a brief outline of why you believe these sources are insufficient to establish notability? Simply asserting Lack of notability without even stating what you believe the relevant notability guideline(s) to be is not very helpful. -Ljleppan (talk) 16:55, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I took a quick look at the National Library of Finland's newspaper archives. Online access to papers from 1950s to present requires a researcher account, hence no links below, but ask and I'll give a brief rundown. Searching is complicated by there being a newspaper photographer of the same name, which causes a ton of false positives in the search results, and the subject's real name being mentioned in a billion radio programme guides. Anyway, here's some hits I found about the subject from a casual browse: A full-page story in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 2004-10-01. Same(?) story also in Länsi-Savo on the same day. A full spread in Ruotuväki story on 2005-07-05. A two-thirds-page in Jakobstads Tidning on 2008-02-29. A page-minus-a-column in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 2008-03-20. Two-thirds-page in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 2006-07-27. Short'ish (a few paras) book review in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 1993-09-26. Multiple paras in Länsi-Savo on 1994-08-15. There's probably more to be found (especially if I fiddled with the search terms), but I'd imagine that's plenty to get the discussion rolling. Ljleppan (talk) 17:56, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Moving the article Ari Peltonen might not be a bad move (based on the sourcing, he appears to have garnered more coverage as a radio personality rather than as an artist), but that's outside the purview of an AfD.
 * , as the nominator, could you give a brief outline of why you believe these sources are insufficient to establish notability? Simply asserting Lack of notability without even stating what you believe the relevant notability guideline(s) to be is not very helpful. -Ljleppan (talk) 16:55, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I took a quick look at the National Library of Finland's newspaper archives. Online access to papers from 1950s to present requires a researcher account, hence no links below, but ask and I'll give a brief rundown. Searching is complicated by there being a newspaper photographer of the same name, which causes a ton of false positives in the search results, and the subject's real name being mentioned in a billion radio programme guides. Anyway, here's some hits I found about the subject from a casual browse: A full-page story in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 2004-10-01. Same(?) story also in Länsi-Savo on the same day. A full spread in Ruotuväki story on 2005-07-05. A two-thirds-page in Jakobstads Tidning on 2008-02-29. A page-minus-a-column in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 2008-03-20. Two-thirds-page in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 2006-07-27. Short'ish (a few paras) book review in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 1993-09-26. Multiple paras in Länsi-Savo on 1994-08-15. There's probably more to be found (especially if I fiddled with the search terms), but I'd imagine that's plenty to get the discussion rolling. Ljleppan (talk) 17:56, 19 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep, per Ljleppan. /Julle (talk) 18:27, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the multiple reliable sources significant coverage identified in this discussion that shows a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view Atlantic306 (talk) 00:42, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.