Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pat Barrett (Texas firefighter)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 21:57, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Pat Barrett (Texas firefighter)

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Unnotable person. Wikipedia is not a memorial site, a host for obituaries (which the article is basically a repeat of), nor a Brazos Valley, Texas news site. Only "coverage" is from the obituaries in a few local papers reprinting the press released obit, and from his own employer:


 * teexweb.tamu.edu and teex.org are both official sites for TEEX (Texas Engineering Extension Service)
 * rootsweb.ancestry.com - appears to be a user edited/researched site - therefore unreliable
 * Lubbock Avalanche-Journal - local paper of his home town
 * Amarillo Globe-News - local paper of Amarillo on the TEEX fire school, not Barret himself, he is simply quoted giving statistics about the organization and the school - other than mentioning he is the fire chief, nothing is said about him personally
 * Bryan-College Station Eagle - local paper of BCS, where TEEX is headquartered
 * KBTX - local television station of BCS

All of the sources are from around the time of his death except the Amarillo one, which was not about Barrett, but about TEEX's fire school where he happened to teach for awhile. Barrett has no significant coverage in any reliable sources outside of those obit repeats and the random ancestry.com link. The "award" he won is an unnotable employee award from TAMUS itself. Fails WP:BIO and WP:N.-- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 03:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. — --  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 03:48, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. This person appears to only have come to media attention through his death, and the article is written like a memorial. Dew Kane (talk) 04:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. There are 46 articles on American firefighters. Many are on Wikipedia for reasons other than being firefighters, such as Clint Eastwood and Dan White. I believe that this article compares in importance with the other firefighter articles. He was the fire chief of the Annual Texas Fire Training School and knew literally hundreds of firefighters throughout the state.Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:17, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Who he knew is irrelevant and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason to keep. Wikipedia is, again, not a memorial site. He has no demonstrable notability per Wikipedia's actual guidelines. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 04:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * There are dozens of references to Mr. Barrett on Google taking up most of six pages.Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No, there are dozens of copies of his obituary in various local papers, which you continue to "lovingly" (which is the only way the tone of the article can be described) to add to this "article". Wikipedia is, again, not a memorial site and not a news service. WikiNews might be appropriate, but not Wikipedia. Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 20:51, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. I agree that Mr. Barrett was an impressive individual, and it is a shame that he died so suddenly. The points above about the references are telling, however - almost all of them deal with the fact that he died. BLP1E doesn't necessarily apply, but it's informative - individuals notable for only one thing should be covered as part of that one thing, rather than as individuals. If you take away the death-related sources, there is only one source that tangentally relates to the subject - and that's not enough to support an article, not by a longshot. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:07, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per the one event guideline. Just one source that is not a "he died" announcement, and that one source (which is annoyingly cited in google cache) simply indicates that he was once available for interviews. Dahn (talk) 14:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per Ultraexactzz. -- Nuujinn (talk) 20:43, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep but modify This person was the fire chief of the world's largest fire school. That is more notable that a president of most universities.  Wikipedia notability guidelines don't address fire school but I wouldn't expect it to since the guidelines take up only one page.  He also had some role in the TEEX system (that was later involved in the Space Shuttle crash).  He also received the highest honor.  The part about hotels offering discounted rates, I'll agree if someone supports deleting that part of the article.  I'd also like to see the article rewritten to sound less like a memorial. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 22:23, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - "World's largest fire school" strikes me as an extraordinary claim that would require solid support, and I can't find ANY support for that claim in our articles. The section of Texas Engineering Extension Service about the field says that at 120 acres it is largest in the US - this claims appears to be based on area, not on attendees, which strikes me as less remarkable. This source says "The 120-acre Brayton Fire Training Field in College Station is the largest in the United States...", and this source says, "He was especially noted for his role in planning the future development of the Brayton Fire Training Field, considered by many to be the top firefighter training facility in the world." The latter seems too weasel-wordy to use. cmadler (talk) 13:37, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Cmadler's and nom's analysis of the sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:51, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.