Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pat Flynn


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 01:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Pat Flynn

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Non-notable beyond his role as a member of New Grass Revival? In addition, the primary source is from his own biography on his website? MyGrassIsBlue (talk) 05:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. From the article: "During his tenure with NGR, Pat was voted 'Best Acoustic Guitarist' five years in a row by FRETS magazine's National Readers Poll."  [...] "In recent years, Flynn has received over stories in Flatpicking Guitar and Bluegrass Now magazines,a and he was chosen as Tom T Hall's musical director and guitarist for Hall’s recent “Artist In Residence” month at The Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville, a retrospective of Tom T Hall's incredible musical career."  OK, sources need to be found for these, but I'd that's clear notability. JulesH (talk) 10:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Is FRETS notable enough for a Wikipedia entry and to fit the standards of a credible award? There are a lot of talented musicians, but that doesn't make them notable.MyGrassIsBlue (talk) 22:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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 * Merge to New Grass Revival. This is a good place to start, but I'm not certain that he has enough notability outside the band. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 00:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a poorly-written, poorly sourced article that needs a lot of work, but he's suficiently notable for inclusion apart from his work in NGR on the basis of 1) awards from FRETS Magazine (these may or may not be sufficient on their own), 2) authorship of many recorded songs, including a song charting at #13 on country charts and #69 on pop charts ("Do What You Gotta Do"), 3) two solo albums, and 4) a massive body of work as a session artist. Cmadler (talk) 18:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "FRETS" is not a notable publication apparently, no wiki. Having songs recorded is not a basis for having a Wiki, and do we really want to create a page for someone who writes 1 song ? He's not notable beyond a short bio in the New Grass Revival Wiki. In addition his bio is almost verbatim from his website.
 * I have heard of FRETS, but am not familiar with it. That doesn't mean it's not notable. It's not in Wikipedia, but that also doesn't mean the award is non-notable; Wikipedia is not complete. He's written many recorded songs, I gave one example that went high on the charts. As I mentioned, he also has two solo albums and a huge body of work as a session artist. I agree that this article is poorly written. If you were to suggest that the article is so bad that it should be complete scrapped and written from scratch, I might almost agree with you. But I do believe that Flynn is sufficiently notable to merit his own article, separate from NGR. Cmadler (talk) 13:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


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