Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pat Fry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep, consensus is that the article is notable and has been rewritten to remove the copyvio. Davewild (talk) 16:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Pat Fry

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Fails WP:BIO. Google does turn up a few references (as well as a lot about a different Pat Fry) but these are all either trivial, or not independent of the subject. Reyk YO!  02:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete nothing turns up on google. Buc (talk) 14:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, an average engineer. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 14:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, The Guardian "Chinese grand prix: The McLaren family" lists just six "senior personnel" of the McLaren team, one of which is Fry. So we can have trivial, fancruft articles on characters in soap operas but we can't have an article on a senior member of an organisation with an annual budget of $400+million? Ridiculous! Mark83 (talk) 10:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - senior member of McLaren, Chief Engineer of the race-winning F1 cars McLaren MP4-20 and McLaren MP4-22. In response to comments above, Googling '"Pat Fry" McLaren' produces 1,380 results, and the first result for just 'Pat Fry' is a biography of him produced by an independent media source. --  Diniz  (talk)  12:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - as per Mark and Diniz's comments. Also, one has to note that the two race cars Diniz mentioned won Grand Prix in their respective years. Btw, Anna Lincoln please may you elaborate on the "average engineer" point, thanks. ;-) --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 13:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. D.M.N. (talk) 13:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - is a second independent biography from a reliable source (along with the grandprix.com biography already mentioned above) about Fry. I believe that means it can be assumed to be notable per WP:N. Of far more concern is the fact it's a blatent copyvio of his profile on McLaren's website. I'll blank it, and rewrite something with sources now. AlexJ (talk) 16:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - He is a main spokesman at McLaren and his article is needed. ' Chubb ' enna  itor  17:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: Because of the copyvio, I have rewritten the article from scratch and it's state is now quite different to how the article was when the above comments were made. AlexJ (talk) 17:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.