Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pat Runez


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The result was   no consensus.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 04:32, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Pat Runez

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Non-notable MMA fighter. No fights with any top tier organization and only 4 fights total. He fails WP:MMANOT and I couldn't find significant coverage to show he passes WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 21:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  —Papaursa (talk) 21:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Keep - There's a lot of coverage on sherdog and he's ranked as the #7 flyweight in the world. Not thrilled about where he's competed, but that is to be expected for flyweights. I believe that MMANOT can't yet apply to flyweights, as they haven't had their break yet.  Paralympiakos  (talk) 21:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Delete: Fails WP:MMANOT (few fights), WP:ATHLETE (he's not top-tier), and WP:GNG (only gets trivial coverage, does not get major detailed coverage).-- Lester  22:01, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Having few fights is not part of MMANOT. He is top-tier for his division and he doesn't get trivial coverage. There's at least half a dozen articles on sherdog alone. The above vote should be completely disregarded.  Paralympiakos  (talk) 22:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's an eight page list of articles regarding Runez from the top MMA website in the world. I'd say he passes GNG easily. Also passes athlete by virtue of being in the top 10 in his weight class. Flyweights aren't covered by MMANOT.  Paralympiakos  (talk) 22:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The fact that a fight is announced doesn't mean notable coverage. The fact that after the fight a video of the fight was available for download for free doesn't make him notable. If you exclude articles that primarily announce that there will be a fight taking place, and exclude articles from just after the fight that announce the availability of that fight video for free download, how many articles are left that are about him? By that, I mean that the headline is exclusively about him (and nobody else), and the article is primarily about him, the person, who he is, his tactics, his life, his future etc. We're looking for major coverage in multiple major sources.-- Lester  23:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I challenge you to find more than 2 or 3 articles specifically about one fighter and no-one else. That very seldom happens outside of the absolute top mixed martial artists in the world.  Paralympiakos  (talk) 23:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I mean from the same website. Try to find 2 or 3 articles on the same website about a certain fighter. It's very rare outside of the world's best. The fact is, he's #7 in his division, which is very notable. The reason for not passing MMANOT is that flyweights don't have the same coverage just yet.  Paralympiakos  (talk) 23:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep Subject fails WP:MMANOT. However, a Google search does find the following sources to suggest notability and may pass WP:GNG:   --TreyGeek (talk) 03:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Are those websites reliable sources? At a glance, some of those websites are organizers of the sport. For example, UWC organizes and holds bouts. All of them are 100% MMA fan sites and cover no other sports. The subject, Pat Runez, has not broken through to get any coverage in a general sports magazine, let alone a general newspaper or a publication Wikipedia would consider a reliable source per WP:RELIABLE. Remember WP:GNG cannot be overridden. It always applies. These websites have no reputation for reliability, cannot be considered reliable sources, and don't amount to significant independent coverage.-- Lester  07:19, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep Not sure how he got to be ranked 7th in the world with only 4 fights, only one of which was against a fighter with a winning record, and only fighting once a year. However, this combined with TreyGeek's findings (even though the sites are of undetermined reliability) is enough to barely make this article worth keeping. Astudent0 (talk) 15:19, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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