Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pat and Ron Show


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Chicago Cubs.  MBisanz  talk 01:03, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Pat and Ron Show

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I had suggested this article be merged to Chicago Cubs Radio Network in June 2012, and nothing's happened. Now, I'm thinking there may not be enough content worth merging. The radio pregame show for the Chicago Cubs is not notable. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:22, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment The whole article is mostly unsourced, so I would not merge from existing content. However, I think I found enough tidbits that it is worthy of a redirect to Chicago Cubs, if not an outright keep if there is a Cubs fan who wants to do the work. If not, we can redirect now and WP:SPLIT later if it ever becomes too big. Some sources (mostly from WP:Highbeam) include their usual talk about attendance, hair on fire incident , show "became as big as the games themselves" , "comedic banter with Santo came to be called ‘‘The Pat and Ron Show.’", Santo's replacement in Pat And Ron show, dynamics on the show between the two.—Bagumba (talk) 17:41, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge after reviewing Bagumba's comments. There is quite a bit of original research involved and it shouldn't be a standalone article as is. Dreambeaver  (talk) 22:45, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge The article states that WGN Radio is heard around the world. Until sources are presented that are not part of the parent company, especially from outside the state of Illinois, I consider this topic unencyclopedic for WP.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:30, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree that sources should be independent to show notability; there is no guideline that "local" is not allowed;  lots of politicians, for example, would otherwise not be notable.  While Chicago Tribune and WGN are part of Tribune Company, most that I listed above were not from Sun-Times.  There was also this from San Jose, CA.—Bagumba (talk) 22:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. I haven't had a chance to examine this article and its issues in any depth yet, but I note its similarity to an AfD regarding another sports broadcaster team: Articles for deletion/Tom and Jerry (announcers).  I will return to comment further later, but in the mean time someone might some common discussion points with the prior AfD.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:20, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.