Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pathan (film) (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I think its clear we are not keeping this in mainspace Spartaz Humbug! 17:58, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Pathan (film)
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Pathan (film)

The unreleased film, Pathan, which appears to be in post-production limbo, has been deleted: The film is now being subject to gaming of the system, apparently by editors who are trying to confuse the jury (we, the Wikipedia community, are the jury) and get an article into article space. There was a draft. The draft should have been kept, but was in good faith also deleted. The deletion of the draft resulted in a deletion review:
 * Articles for deletion/Pathan (film) (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Pathan (film)
 * Deletion review/Log/2022 February 3. Now editors who may be promoters of the film are relying on smoke and mirrors to keep an article.  They have also tried to game the naming by introducing multiple versions that have been redirected:
 * Pathan (Film)
 * Pathan(film)
 * Draft:Pathan(2022)
 * Draft:Draft:Pathan(film)

The current article has been reference-bombed, and the proponents should provide not less than three nor more than five references to make a case for general notability or film notability.

This article should be deleted, and the title should be extended-confirmed protected. One draft should be kept, and can be reviewed when the film is released. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:39, 22 February 2022 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pathan_(film)&type=revision&diff=1073421754&oldid=1073400833&diffmode=source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Re-creation_of_deleted_articles_by_OE1995
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:39, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:39, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Different versions of this article have been deleted so many times over the past 3 months, I've never seen this happen with a film before. And the last AFD was just in January, is there a reason it needs a third one to come to the same conclusion to "Delete"? Liz Read! Talk! 21:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - User:Liz - You asked whether this really needs a third deletion discussion. I didn't think so either.  I tagged it for G4.  See
 * My G4 was removed by User: Shinnosuke15, based on their interpretation of the DRV. They and I disagree as to what the DRV concluded, and the DRV closer wasn't clear on that, but I thought the DRV meant to restore the draft, and they thought that the DRV meant to restore the article.  We apparently need a resolution somehow, whether here, another DRV, or at WP:AN or WP:ANI.  As to why there are so many versions of the article, there is an ANI on the subject, but it is also not getting much attention:
 * Perhaps this answers your questions about what is going on here. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Without blaming anyone, the DRV did not differentiate between restoring/allowing Draft:Pathan (film) and the article Pathan (film). In case you forgot, you declined a G4 on this basis. Another deletion discussion seems necessary to clarify, and a DRV could have procedural objections such as "wrong forum". Flatscan (talk) 05:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment to User:Liz and User:Flatscan - has been blocked for two weeks as a result of the ANI.  Thank you, User:TomStar81.  Maybe now we can finish deleting the crud that they copied.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:13, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * My memory is obviously not what it used to be, Flatscan, I made my comment here not recalling either the Deletion Review decision or my action on the recent CSD G4 tagging. This current AFD caught my eye and all I was thinking of was previous versions of this article I had deleted (starting in August 2021) which is why I commented. An editor spends a lot of time editing Wikipedia and after a while, your memories can become jumbled. I should have looked into this more before commenting. At this point, I'm going to step away and see what new editors determine what should be done about the ubiquitous article about the film Pathan. I'd ordinarily say "Draftify" but, as we have seen, the article wouldn't stay in Draft space for more than a few hours before being moved back to main space under a new version of the title. Looking into this now, I came across at least 8 different pages in main space and Draft space that had been used for articles on this film and lots of page moves starting in fall 2021. Liz Read! Talk! 20:11, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that draftify would be the normal approach, but I support whatever measures are needed to stop the disruption. Flatscan (talk) 05:27, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Someone has asked me for input since I closed the deletion review. The problem is that there are a number of drafts and articles and even in the deletion reviews people didn't distinguish between the various pages. From the comments in the DRV I gather that people wanted initially to restore some version to draftspace, not already to articlespace. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * KEEP as it's a big budget movie and sufficient sources are there. We should check the Sooryavanshi logs, as that movie's Wiki was created in 2019 but the movie released in late 2021. --Priya Ragini (talk) 02:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * KEEP as the film is legit and has been filming for a long time and was delayed due to the pandemic as most films have been lately. So I don't see the point of deleting it since most upcoming films from all over the world have wiki articles related to them as it has been the case for years on Wikipedia.--meryam90 (talk) 03:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)


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