Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patient J (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Aaron Schoenke. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 12:33, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Patient J
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Non-notable independent short by non-notable director. Does not meet WP:MOVIE. Tchaliburton (talk) 16:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Fails to meet the requirements of WP:NFILM.  Rorshacma (talk) 17:44, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per above.JoelWhy (talk) 18:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: While I did enjoy the short film, I found no significant coverage in reliable sources. SL93 (talk) 00:12, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 17:08, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. Substantial reviews of this Batman fan film can be found in the following: Film Threat; ComicBookBin; Cinema-crazed.com.  I'm not certain about the WP:RS status of these sources, but they do seem to be cited frequently in other Wikipedia articles. Note that Category:Batman fan films currently has more than a dozen entries, but there doesn't seem to be a main article covering the subject to which one might suggest redirecting and merging content about a film that has some sourcing but not enough for its own article.-Arxiloxos (talk) 19:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect and partial Merge to Aaron Schoenke a created section at City of Scars covering the filmmaker's background and earlier work. While Film Threat is fine as a source for Patient J, Cinema Crazed and Comic Book Bin have yet to be evaluated as RS in context to what is being sourced. To disagree with the nominator, filmmaker Aaron Schoenke ( a redlink simply awaiting an article now an article) may indeed be determinable under WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE as just notable enough for these pages, and he has (so far) a trilogy sextet of these Batman fan films out... Patient J (2005), Batman Legends (2006), and City of Scars (2010), in all of which actor Paul Molnar (another redlink awaiting an article) plays the Joker.  While we do not have a great many sources speaking about the 2005 film, the series and filmmaker are not unsourcable, and can be written of contextually somewhere within these pages.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:49, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think a merger is a suitable solution here, although I'd lean toward suggesting Aaron Schoenke himself as the most likely notable topic, into which material about all of his films (and about him) from the available reviews and interviews could be merged. --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:30, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Article created.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom but I left a note on the author's talk suggesting he participate here and consider a Merge with City of Scars or rewriting that article as an article on the trilogy. DocTree (talk) 21:41, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect I agree that a merge seems to be the way to go here. This individual has created a small bit of buzz with his ultra-low-budget vids. Perhaps each individual creations doesn't warrant its own page, but it makes sense to redirect and include the info in one of the other, better-referenced pages.JoelWhy (talk) 18:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: I've created a more suitable redirect target per User:Arxiloxos's note above: See new article at Aaron Schoenke.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 08:33, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. An Article by this title was deleted once before, and the re-created Article is very much a stub. This seems like a hopeless case if nothing else. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 08:19, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So? That was July 2006, when the filmaker and involved actors had far less under their belts. The world has not stopped turning and many things have occured in their careers over the last six years to allow the building of a suitable redirect target. Do you perhaps feel a redirect is somehow unreasonable?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 11:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a redirect would work, then, but still not a solid "keep" as such. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 19:14, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.