Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patria Y Libertad


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was redirect to Fatherland and Freedom, with no consensus on what to do with the old content, which is being kept by default. &mdash;  F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( TALK )  16:12, Dec. 23, 2005

Patria Y Libertad
A slogan doesn't deserve an article in any encyclopedia, specially an orphan article without any content whatsoever --Mecanismo 21:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Salvador Allende. It appears that I don't know jackshit about South American politics. However, it seems that Gazpacho does, so I've decided to change my vote to Redirect to Fatherland and Freedom. --Aurochs (Talk | Block)
 * Comment: I do not believe this article is accurate. "Patria y Libertad" (with a lowercase "y") was a right-wing group that during Allende's presidency organized a military mutiny, the Tanquetazo. Can anyone confirm that Allende used it as a slogan? Gazpacho 10:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment No matter the outcome of this AfD, the title will have to be changed. First, the conjunction "y" (English: "and") should not be capitalized, as Gazpacho points out. As in English, Spanish prepositions, conjunctions, and articles appearing in the names of specific organizations are not to be capitalized, unless they are found at the beginning of a setence. Second, when the slogan "Patria and Libertad" is capitalized as a proper noun, it does not refer to the Allende slogan. Instead, the term refers to the following: (1) a number of fascist and quasi-fasicst groups set up over the years in Latin America, most notably the quasi-fascist paramilitary named Fatherland and Liberty set up to fight Allende's Popular Unity; and (2) Patria y Libertad, a drama by José Martí. In short, if there is going to be an article on "fatherland and liberty" as a slogan on the part of Allende's supporters, the article must be moved to an entry whose title appears in lowercase. (At the moment I will not comment as to whether or not the Allende slogan is notable enough for an article; thus, I will hold off on voting "keep" or "delete.") Forth, an article whose title is "Fatherland and Liberty" or "Patria y Libertad" appearing in uppercase should be written, with a disambiguation linking both to the article on (1) the various fascist groups in Latin America adoping such a name; and (2) the essay by Martí. Finally, Patria y Libertad (in uppercase) should redirect to the English "Fatherland and Liberty" in order to comply with Wikipedia naming conventions, which state that "article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." The naming conventions are important because English-language sources tend to refer to the name of the neo-fascist anti-Allende paramilitary by translating it into English. 172 05:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Let me try to put this together...
 * a disambig at Fatherland and liberty to Fatherland and Liberty (play), Fatherland and Liberty (movement), and Allende,
 * a disambig at Fatherland and freedom to the play, the movement, Allende, and For Fatherland and Freedom, the Latvian party, and
 * redirects from the capitalized versions of the disambig names, and
 * redirects from the Spanish names to Fatherland and liberty?
 * Gazpacho 07:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for fleshing out my comments above. 172 16:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete and redirect to Fatherland and Freedom, where we can keep track of the many groups that use this slogan. Gazpacho 02:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Fatherland and Freedom. Gazpacho 21:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Gazpacho. Blackcats 09:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect per above. Tom Harrison (talk) 14:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Relisting this to generate more discussion. howcheng   [ t &#149; c &#149; w &#149;  e  ] 00:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep in current form as dab page. Guettarda 16:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Hardvice 22:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, per Gazpacho. IanManka 05:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.