Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patricia Farr


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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) czar ♔   20:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Patricia Farr

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Author contested prod saying there is much info out there to prove notability - said when contested prod. yet same author writes in article that there is very little info out there on Farr. therefore, IMHO, it is non verifiable nn person. Original author can't have it both ways - either there is or isn't much info available. I am going with what he wrote in article. Postcard Cathy (talk) 02:16, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep (per MichaelQSchmidt's work) Delete (per following paragraph). Comment . I haven't yet had time to do a search, but I did make an edit to the article. It used another Wikipedia article (Lady Luck (1936 film)) as its only reliable source. Of course, this is not allowed, and I removed it. The other article lists no reliable sources at all, so there is nothing to borrow for this article. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 03:42, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I did some digging, but the news is not good. Patricia Farr apparently starred in at least 3 movies and one 12 part serial, along with lesser parts in more than a dozen other movies. However, to meet the requirements of WP:NACTOR, she must have "had significant roles in multiple notable films." Per WP:MOVIE, for a film to be notable, it's not good enough just to be part of a large compendium: "Examples of coverage INSUFFICIENT [my emphasis] to fully establish notability include...listings in comprehensive film guides such as Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide...". Well, that's all I found: entries in   places like  and a book that lists more than 1200 movies. The NY Times  said "Farr starred or co-starred in such forgotten fare as Speed to Spare (1937) and All-American Sweetheart (1938)." Sorry, but that doesn't sound like appearance in notable movies. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 04:34, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks to MichaelQSchmidt! I've changed my vote, above, to Keep. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 08:05, 11 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete for failing WP:NACTOR. I found a paragraph in the Ogden Standard-Examiner and another in the Circleville Herald via Newspapers.com, but nothing really significant. Basically she was an up-and-coming starlet who never really got there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clarityfiend (talk • contribs) 04:09, 11 October 2014
 * Comment: I'm adding her full filmography to the article and while she's done a lot of uncredited roles, I also see where she's been the star in a lot of films. User:MichaelQSchmidt should probably come in on this, as he's good at finding sources for these older films. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks like she was a major performer or at least a named one in the following films: Tailspin Tommy (serial), The Lady in Scarlet, Three of a Kind (1936 film), Lady Luck (1936 film), All American Sweethearts (a review for this is mentioned here and there's a brief mention here and here), and Lady Behave!. I am aware that the existence of these articles doesn't automatically mean notability, but the mini review in the one book does make me think that there is coverage for the films- it just never made it to the internet. Not voting yet, but I'm going to keep digging. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:09, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Tokyogirl79. What worries me about this AFD (and my Delete vote) is that the movies Farr starred in currently have Wikipedia articles -- but with the exception of the serial Tailspin Tommy, the articles (The Lady in Scarlet, Lady Luck, and All-American Sweethart) have no sources showing notability, and in an admittedly quick perusal I didn't notice any. It would be great if some were found. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 05:18, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * That worries me as well. Part of me wants to argue keep based on that, but I'd still have to show that those films are notable themselves and so far it's slow going. I'm finding some hints of coverage, but finding coverage for that long ago is like trying to pull the teeth out of a running gazelle with a hammer and a cast on my foot. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:28, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I was the originator of the Patricia Farr page. Larry Traveling Man says that I used the film "Lady Luck" as a "reliable source". I did not do that. The reference was meant as a footnote to indicate which film was being suggested by me as the one in which Farr appeared as leading lady. I'm highly annoyed that Larry, after perhaps a superficial reading, has misrepresented what I did. To illustrate what I meant without again offending Larry, I have re-written the first line of the page. Akld guy (talk) 06:18, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry if your feelings were hurt, but since all that was provided was a link, I took it as a claim to be a reliable source -- which it was not. If it was intended to be an explanatory footnote (of the previous text ..."in at least one"), then it would have required additional wording, such as "One of the films was Lady Luck (1936)". However, that also would have required a reliable source (which the linked article was not), and so also would have been removed. Thanks to the research being done, it's now possible to add a source; it can be added assuming the article makes it. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 07:11, 11 October 2014 (UTC)




 * Keep as suitable now-sourced and further sourceable stub that preserves a piece of American cinematic history. 's work inspired me to look, and I found that she has been noted in multiple reliable sources and her body of verifiable work meets WP:ENT #2. While it would be wonderful to have reams of 1930s-40s media covering her work, her career sadly ended with her 1948 death.  This may likely never be as all-inclusive and copious an article as something on Marilyn Monroe, but so what? It serves the project to inform our readers.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 07:47, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 08:05, 11 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 10:37, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 19:22, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep per WP:HEY. It's been improved enough to keep. Bearian (talk) 20:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - This clears the notability threshold, in my opinion. Carrite (talk) 13:49, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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