Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patricia Rhomberg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Patricia Rhomberg

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No sources or references to satisfy WP:GNG & Fails WP:PORNBIO as not won a "well-known and significant industry award" or any award at all. Finnegas (talk) 11:28, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2013 August 20.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  11:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions. Finnegas (talk) 11:41, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

This article has 4 links to external DBs and exists in 3 other languages. Why should the English-speaking world not know about this person? Considering WP:GNG and WP:PORNBIO: the Josephine Mutzenbacher movie is a cult porn. YellowOnline (talk) 12:13, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the 4 links to external DBs do not establish notability. None of the other articles have any other sources. Can you provide references to support your claim that "the Josephine Mutzenbacher movie is a cult porn". Finnegas (talk) 13:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * None of the articles in any language cite reliable sources. I tagged the article as unsourced because there is nothing to support the article's biographical content. Links to film databases don't establish notability. Yes, I've heard of Sensational Janine, but the significance of starring in a "cult" porn film needs acknowledgement by reliable sources. A Google News search yields one passing mention of Rhomberg in the film. • Gene93k (talk) 13:58, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - FYI, I've updated the article in question with some of the references cited below and some others. Guy1890 (talk) 02:04, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:38, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:38, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - Satisfies criteria 2 of PORNBIO with her starring role in Sensational Janine. If you look at the GBooks hits for Sensational Janine, the fourth link quotes, "Sensational Janine has been considered by a number of adult film reviewers as one of the best foreign adult films released in the... (United States)". Jim Holliday regards it as an "all time foreign favorite". The Film Journal regards it "one of the most successful x-rated foreign films ever to cross the Atlantic".. I can only imagine what the Austrian and German sources say since I am unable to research them. Morbidthoughts (talk) 23:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - Thanks for your support for this article and for looking through Google Books. YellowOnline (talk) 07:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete as a fundamentally unsourced BLP, without prejudice to recreation as a redirect if a film article is written or as an article if reliably sourced biographical information can be found. This article perpetuates the unsourced and unreferenced association of the porn performer with a clearly identifiable person of the same name, and suppression is needed before that claim is spread across the web! Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 11:15, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The character is not clearly identifiable, likely fictional, and if it was based on a real person, that person is likely dead. Morbidthoughts (talk) 15:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Quite definitely not the identifiable living person I referred a bit vaguely to; note the content I removed from the article. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 00:50, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - There's an ongoing discussion about this article here as well. Guy1890 (talk) 21:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, postdlf (talk) 15:54, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Keep - After thinking about it some more, it appears that this (former?) actress satisfies the "starred in an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature" of PORNBIO for her lead role in "porn classic" Josefine Mutzenbacher – Wie sie wirklich war (or Sensational Janine), which was apparently "one of the most successful foreign (European) x-rated films". I also note that the above BLP concern was not acted upon further by anyone. Being associated with adult films isn't necessarily a negative thing to everyone, and I'm not even sure that this actress used her real name in any of her adult film career. This article does need more citations though. Guy1890 (talk) 02:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: This argument, advanced earlier, waters down the PORNBIO #2 standard far too much. No sources describe the film in terms that approach "iconic," "groundbreaking," or "blockbuster." The sources cited by Morbidthoughts don't go much beyond establishing the film as notable under the GNG. "Considered by a number of reviewers as one of the best," for example, hardly equates to "iconic." We cannot ignore the fact that this article has no reliable sources for its biographical content; the two porn databases used as references do not satisfy RS requirements; the book/magazine citations support statements regarding the film, not the performer. And the just-advanced argument that associating an identifiable living person with a porn performer, without a shred of supporting evidence, isn't a BLP violation because "it isn't necessarily a negative thing to everyone" demonstrates only the proponent's utter lack of understanding of essential BLP policy. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 13:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "No sources describe the film in terms that approach 'iconic,' 'groundbreaking,' or 'blockbuster'"...only that the film was "one of the most successful foreign (European) x-rated films", which is basically the same, exact thing.
 * "the two porn databases used as references do not satisfy RS requirements"...which is an opinion, not a fact at all.
 * "And the just-advanced argument that associating an dentifiable living person with a porn performer, without a shred of supporting evidence". As stated before, there's no evidence that this actress used her real name during her film career. Guy1890 (talk) 20:01, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:07, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

 The first "Josefine Mutzenbacher"-the experienced Director Hans Billian turned porn film, which today is seen as one of the best porn of all time, in 1976. Starring at that time embodied the Wienerin Patricia Rhomberg, which perfectly fit into this role because their proper dialect.''"
 * Weak Keep This does seem to meet WP:PORNBIO #2 as indicated by this machine translated text of this original which includes: "''Barely repealed the ban on pornography for adults in the Federal Republic of Germany in 1975, hiked many filmmakers in the new genre of porn film about and did pioneering work in there. The quality of the films was at that time still quite high, and thanks to the existing budget and a technically sound approach, could produce porn, traded up today around the world as a classic. Finally came the gentry usually from the film industry and brought with them for this reason some decades of experience. Already in the first years were not only short films, known as loops, produced, but also porn feature film length. It was set free the imagination, concerning the content and also the title of the film. Just the title of old movies were like to cast off and used in many short films. But there were already existing stories and movies where one content served. It was to the fabric around the figure of the "Sanitätsgefreiten"Neumann, on the other hand, it was the figure of the literary classics of porn "Josefine Mutzenbacher" which was already some years before, just like the "Sanitätsgefreite Neumann" in a sex film release in theaters. This substance, which tells of a Viennese whore, and which caused much sensation and censorship in book form, has offered wonderful to, to be filmed as a pornographic Variant.
 * This describes Patricia Rhomberg as the lead star in this film that "... hiked many filmmakers in the new genre of porn film about and did pioneering work in there." which meets PORNBIO's "Has made unique contributions to a specific pornographic genre, such as beginning a trend in pornography;" Technical 13 (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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