Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick B. Moran


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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Patrick B. Moran

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Patrick Moran is notable only for allegedly committing election fraud. This falls under BLP1E. Without this "event", there is no article. This event is discussed in the Jim Moran article, so we should simply delete Two kinds of pork (talk) 06:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * weak keep as creator he is of borderline notability but there was a second incident that also received coverage, being his domestic abuse incident/accident that he pled guilty to. This incident was covered by multiple sources. Therefore WP:BLP1E does not apply.
 * I acknowledge the impending WP:SNOW delete and do not object. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete- I also PROD'd the page for WP:BLP1E. Subject is non-notable. His illegal activity is noted in his father's article and deserves no further mention. Meatsgains (talk) 16:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete This is one event at best.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:36, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete. He does not pass either WP:NCOLLATH or WP:NGRIDIRON as he has won no major awards, not played professionally, etc.  Nor did his collegiate career receive significant coverage in mainstream media sources to qualify under WP:GNG.  The sole basis for the coverage, and for the claim to notability, is he was the son of a Congressman who got into legal trouble for domestic abuse.  As he is a living person whose notoriety is limited to a single brush with the law, this is one of the rare instances in which WP:BLP1E should be applied to override the claim of notability. Cbl62 (talk) 15:52, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, I see now that he had two brushes with the law. This raises doubt as to whether BLP1E really applies.  Even so, I'll stick with a slight delete inclination, as this is a young man (early 20s) who is getting press coverage only because of who his father is. As Meatsgains noted above, the son's legal problems receive mention in the father's article, and that should suffice.  I really don't see the need for a stand-alone article. I am open to reconsidering if someone can show that he is receiving significant coverage for his own career. Cbl62 (talk) 15:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Non notable athlete. Other coverage is driven by his father's notability, not his.204.126.132.231 (talk) 19:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. No compelling evidence of notability here; the only thing here that's even remotely relevant to whether he should have an encylopedia or not is the election fraud investigation, and we can discuss that in his father's article without needing a standalone WP:BLP1E. A misdemeanor assault charge is never, in and of itself, a reason why anybody gets an encyclopedia article, so that section does not help to make him a BLP2E in any way. Bearcat (talk) 06:05, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as not meeting Wikipedia notability criteria. Notability is not inherited. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:31, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - Under what notability guideline is the subject supposed to be notable? NCOLLATH for college athletes?  WP:NPOLITICIAN for wannabe elected officials?  WP:CRIME for petty criminals?  WP:GNG for someone who is known mostly for screwing up in a public way?  If someone can tell me which guideline applies, I might be inclined to register a serious !vote, but right now, I'm not sure there's enough significant coverage in mainstream media to qualify the subject as notable enough for a stand-alone Wikipedia article.  Moreover, I'm also pretty certain the subject would have received virtually none of the coverage he did is his last name were Smith, and not Moran, and that adds elements of WP:NOTINHERITED to the mix.  Without further analysis, my initial reaction is he and his various run-ins should get a one-paragraph mention in the article about his clearly notable father.  This may be an AfD where the participants are called upon to exercise common sense without resort to any specific guideline or policy.  My favorite part?  The subject "placed fourth in FBLA Principles and Procedures at the 2005 FBLA National Leadership Conference."  Yeah, Wikipedia really needs this article, doesn't it?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:59, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I've thought it over; I don't need to see a great deal of discussion about the notability of this subject or its rationale or the particular guideline. I am exercising common sense and saying that the 20-something son of a congressmen who has only received semi-significant coverage for the legal troubles he has encountered -- coverage he would not have received had he not been the congressman's son -- is not an appropriate topic for a stand-alone Wikipedia article.  Accordingly, I've changed my !vote to a firm "delete."  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:02, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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