Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Dove (sea captain)


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The result was keep. Consensus was clearly to keep. (non-admin closure)  Onel 5969  TT me 03:37, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Patrick Dove (sea captain)

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Shame, because it's a nicely put together article and all. BUT; Lack of lasting notability (unremarkable seadog); WP:ONEEVENT. I don't think the book, published in 1940 and not reprinted, confers notability nor does its part in the film about the Battle of the River Plate. TheLongTone (talk) 14:40, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep Plenty of mentions in secondary sources.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Dove's death in 1957 was covered in the New York Times, currently cited in the article. Hawkeye7's simple search also demonstrates plenty of coverage. — Toughpigs (talk) 22:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to MV Africa Shell, clear case of WP:ONEEVENT. Mztourist (talk) 04:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Added Times obituary reference Piecesofuk (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: With the New York Times and The Times obituaries he meets GNG. I agree it's in the range of of WP:ONEEVENT, but for me there's enough verifiable biographical information to make his article more than just a restatement of MV Africa Shell. Modussiccandi (talk) 17:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Then we might as well have articles for Maurice McCarthy Jr. and Marian Elliott as they had longer obits than Dove on the same page of the NYT...Mztourist (talk) 13:17, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If they are notable for more than one event, yes. I've written GAs based largely on obituaries and I fail to see what's wrong with them as a source for biographies. As you said in your comment, this is a problem of WP:1E and not about the quality of the sources. Modussiccandi (talk) 14:45, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I should add that we both know that one obituary alone does not, of course, make someone notable, but rather the combination of reliable sources. Modussiccandi (talk) 14:51, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Seems a good article as far as I can see, enjoyed reading it. Very relevant seeing as he was a prisoner on the Graf Spee during the Battle of the River Plate and was a technical adviser to the film. Another case of #hawtyWikisnobbishness in wanting it removed? BigPhil 15:37; 6 January 2021 (GMT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.10.102.252 (talk)
 * Keep per . An obit in the New York Times does not confer automatic notability, but it's a heuristic that the person might be notable. Combined with other sources, that is enough for WP:GNG. I have no opinion about the notability of the other persons mentioned. Bearian (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG. - The9Man  ( Talk ) 07:58, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


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