Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Grove


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The result was   no consensus. causa sui (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Patrick Grove

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An entrepeneur who's been involved with some sucessful businesses. However I can't see anything in the article which justies having a Wikipedia page about this individual rather than including the key information in pages about the organizations he's worked with. Goopy Gloopy (talk) 14:07, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 23:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - This needs to be tagged for sources at a minimum, as the money line is unsourced: "In 2001 Catcha launched a publishing arm which has since become one of the largest Magazine publishers in South East Asia. The company is primarily based in Malaysia but also publishes in Singapore and Indonesia. Their portfolio of titles include JUICE, Stuff, K-Zone, Evo, MiNT, Fairways, Clive and Prestige." It may well be that Catcha media should be the article and this bio and story should be subsumed in that. HOWEVER, when the specific phrase "Catcha Media" returns 32.3 MILLION hits on Google, I absolutely guarantee that there is an article topic here that can pass GNG muster. Yes, I know that there are many who scream and wail about using Google to estimate the size of the haystack... Still, "Bigger Haystack = More Needles" and this particular haystack is the size of Mason City, Iowa. My preference would be for one about the company but that's not what we have here. Nevertheless, KEEP + TAG + IMPROVE is pretty clear in this instance. Carrite (talk) 05:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Bearing in mind that this is a big new media conglomerate and that some of these may be technically self-sources rather than independent sources, here's ASIA MEDIA JOURNAL on Grove and Catcha Media being selected to run MSN's portal in Malaysia. Carrite (talk) 05:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's MONEY TREE SINGAPORE with a bio that indicates Grove's Catcha Media publishes 18 magazines. Carrite (talk) 05:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * And an article by Marissa Lee of ASIA ONE BUSINESS, entitled "Once bitten, twice not shy for Catcha's founder." Carrite (talk) 05:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's AN AUSTRIALIAN BUSINESS SITE on an IPO of a subsidiary of Catcha Media. Carrite (talk) 05:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * And a MICROSOFT PRESS RELEASE confirming their close relationship with Grove and Catcha. Carrite (talk) 05:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Grove is a contributor to the book SECRETS OF ASIA'S MOST SUCCESSFUL INTERNET GURUS. Carrite (talk) 05:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - It goes on and on and on, this is just the low hanging fruit. This is a whoopsie nomination, should be withdrawn or a speedy keep. Carrite (talk) 05:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - I agree that there should probably be a Wikipedia page on Catcha Media. But nothing Carrite has said justifies there being a Wikipedia page on Patrick Grove. From what I can see, notability here is for the organization rather than the individual. Goopy Gloopy (talk) 13:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Like I say, I would have done it about the company and then brought the mogul's bio into it in through that; someone took the other approach, talking about a very clearly notable company through the bio of its founder. No matter, there are sources aplenty however one slices it. I basically agree with your argument; if one were inspired to write a piece on the company and merge this into it, that would be very logical. Failing that, this is a clear keep. Carrite (talk) 02:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)



it also appears the individual has successfully launched another company for an IPO. http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/7/5/business/9030605&sec=business So it appears he has founded and now taken for an IPO, 2 companies. So it would not seem ideal to list the individual under a company profile as there are quite a few companies of merit. I think it should stay and be updated with more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.136.155.3 (talk) 17:28, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The article which 175.136.155.3 has given a link to is about Catcha Media, the same organization we've been discussing above. So I don't know which other organization 175.136.155.3 is referring to. Goopy Gloopy (talk) 03:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
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