Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick McGee


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 08:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Patrick McGee

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 * – duplicate of Patrick McGee

Notable for only one event, his death. Cunard (talk) 02:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, 1E applies. JBsupreme (talk) 02:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Stephen Lawrence and James Byrd are only known for their deaths. Apparently those articles should be deleted.--Comradesandalio (talk) 02:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Cunard (talk) 03:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * True, but if similar stuff exists and isn't deleted for a good reason (rather than being forgotten but actually deleteable), that reason might also rub off on this article too. In this case I'd say the lack of verifiable info on this case might distinguish it from the other murders mentioned. - Mgm|(talk) 11:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think a very valid difference is that the other two were racially motivated; that's a big deal and makes the case go beyond simple murder. The murder of Byrd gave rise to the Texas James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Act; the upshot of the Lawrence murder was that the Met was found "institutionally racist." These murders were much bigger than just the one event. Drmies (talk) 16:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - per WP:ONEEVENT, "If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted".  Matt (  Talk  )  05:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What about an article on the murder then? - Mgm|(talk) 11:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete--as cruel as it may sound, this was not a notable death. Drmies (talk) 06:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've added Murder of Patrick McGee to this AfD. Cunard (talk) 08:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete both Patrick McGee and Murder of Patrick McGee. A murder with no additional impact beyond the immediate individuals involved, is not really a suitable topic for an article, in my opinion. Tim Ross   (talk)  15:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I suspect, given the edit history of the author, that this article was created to call attention to racially motivated crimes against whites. However the only sources that indicate that this might have been a racially motivated crime are blogs and political activist groups such as the BNP.  It would not surprise me if it was indeed true that the original Times story did mention this information, but that it was later deleted.   But I don't think we can keep the information in the article, and without it, the article is reduced to a skeleton.  I would like to know if the author would be interested in improving the article but without the reference to the perpetrator's possibly being Asian and/or a Muslim.  Soap Talk/Contributions 17:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The BNP being a notable although extreme source, we can quote their opinion on the case as long as we are sure to indicate that it is just opinion. Something like this would be appropriate, I think: "In a statement issued on 17 December, the British National Party decried the lack of national media coverage of the crime, and alleged that the Daily Mail had removed from its coverage a statement that the susect arrested was of Filipino origin."  JulesH (talk) 10:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, you're right. Hence the strange reference to 'Filipino'--between the lines, the author probably suspects a conspiracy. Thanks for pointing this out. Drmies (talk) 00:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoa, I should really read the article histories more often. Drmies (talk) 00:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Patrick McGee. Weak keep Murder of Patrick McGee.  A murder case that prompted a statement by a major (albeit extremist) political party is probably notable.   News coverage in all the major sources (e.g. ) can be used to expand the article. JulesH (talk) 10:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.