Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Syring (3rd nomination)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 00:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Patrick Syring
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Fails notability, no significant coverage other than one event WP:NTEMP. A lone individual who committed one hate crime - threatening employees of an Arab American group - that landed him in jail for a few months. The lead makes the event sound more significant by mentioning the 2006 Lebanon war, but the calls and emails were made by Syring from his home in the Washington DC area to the Washington DC office of the group. Contrary to prior AfD discussion, at the time Syring made the threats, he was no longer an employee of the US government; he was a retired guy who never made it to the level of Ambassador. Prior AfD discussion (which was 3 years ago), also concerned whether it was too early to determine whether this would be a significant story/person because there had been no trial yet. There has now been a plea agreement, and he served his time. The present references section also shows the lack of notability now. The live and dead links all pertain to the one event, and to establishing he was once a US government employee. The lack of WP categories also shows his lack of notability - they consist of year of birth, where he was born, where he went to school - and that is it. I do not believe in minimizing the importance of such crimes, but Wikipedia should not be used to memorialize criminals that the legitimate media correctly considers to be insignificant. But the most important consideration here is that time has shown this person is not WP:NOTABLE as defined by WP guidelines. KeptSouth (talk) 10:45, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep - per two previous Afds ukexpat (talk) 17:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:50, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * Speedy Keep Nominator writes at length, and yet covers only a multitude of points that all are leaning in the general direction of deletion, none of which actually constitute a good reason for deleting. The one pertinent point, NTEMP, actually says the opposite of what the nom believes it does; "Notability is NOT temporary" (my caps) Anarchangel (talk) 08:05, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Syring was never notable, and is not now. Previous AfD discussion was based on the possibility of a forthcoming felony trial which never happened (he pled to a misdemeanor), and the mistaken assumption he was working for the state dept at the time. KeptSouth (talk) 09:32, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: Ok, Anarchangel, let me add WP:1E, therefore, not notable. In addition, the event itself is not notable. The fact that there were 2 previous AfD's required a long nomination, imo, to rebut some of the arguments there that later proved to be untrue. KeptSouth (talk) 09:42, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep - Third Afd. Its time to get the message I think,--BabbaQ (talk) 18:54, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Nomination mistakes the facts; Syring was an employee of the State Department at the time he made his threats. He had submitted his resignation prior to making the threatening phone calls, but was a State Department employee for about a year after the calls were made. Studerby (talk) 19:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
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