Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrol 35


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The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 04:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Patrol 35

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This material is shocking and deplorable. However what we really have here is a gang of teenage punks who were caught spray painting a building and beating up people they didn't like. I'm glad they were caught and I hope that somehow they can change and become better citizens. But by WP:Not news this does not really merit an article here Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. The incident, while shocking is not notable enough to deserve it's own article.  SPLETTE &#32;:]&#32;How's my driving? 15:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  — Rami   R  15:25, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Keep. As the BBC reported, the arrests of these men "shocked the nation", for obvious reasons. If this had taken place in another country (like, say, the US), it probably wouldn't have gotten the same amount of press. However, the fact that it horrified an entire country makes it notable. Also note that they were found to have been stockpiling TNT. That is to say, they were most likely planning to build bombs. Terrorist plots are usually considered notable even if they are never carried out (see Faisal Shahzad and Ian Davison). Stonemason89 (talk) 16:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't find any characterization of this as a 'terrorist plot'  SPLETTE &#32;:]&#32;How's my driving? 16:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)A
 * It can be inferred from the fact that they were stockpiling TNT. People don't have TNT lying around in their houses for no reason at all, after all. Stonemason89 (talk) 22:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * While you are probably right, it's still WP:SYNTH  SPLETTE &#32;:]&#32;How's my driving? 23:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:55, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - not a hugely notable organisation, and I share the concerns about WP:NOTNEWS, but there seems to be just about enough coverage to justify an article here. I agree with Stonemason89 that the fact that this is an Israeli group makes them more notable than a generic neo-Nazi group in another country. Robofish (talk) 00:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I think that the level of coverage (which spans several years) is sufficient to justify keeping this article, particularly given that it's unusual (and horrifying) topic is likely to have attracted other media coverage and will receive further coverage in the future. Nick-D (talk) 08:53, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What's cited in the article are the initial news report and two later stories which used it as an example.Kitfoxxe (talk) 15:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I find the subject matter abhorrent, but it has received substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. There has even been controversy over the Guardian's coverage of the issues involved. Freakshownerd (talk) 15:35, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * How about putting the information in this article in the articles on the issues then? Perhaps Israeli immigration policies and neo-Nazism, or whatever. I don't deny these are important issues but still this article is only about one incident.Kitfoxxe (talk) 15:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep or possibly Merge somewhere relevant. Is there Jewish Nazism or similar? Or are these people unique? Rd232 talk 15:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * They are not Jewish, but people with some Jewish ancestry that got into Israel because of its immigration policies. It is also not known if they really believe in Nazism (when of course they would have been among its victims) or if this is just an example of teenage rebellion taken to an extreme, and over reacted to by the media. Kitfoxxe (talk) 16:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Important point from the article: "The group's members were aged 16 to 19." Kitfoxxe (talk) 16:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge into Crime in Israel section on "Far-right and hate-crimes".AMuseo (talk) 18:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The group received media coverage in reliable and verifiable sources over a period of time, establishing notability. Alansohn (talk) 00:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Although reported on by the media, a group of out-of-control teenagers does not have the kind of importance the WP is looking for as the subjects of its articles. However merge the information into other articles on larger topics as others have suggested.Wolfview (talk) 16:23, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I think that an anti-Semitic group within the world's only Jewish state was going to the extent of small-scale terrorist attacks of some sort is significant. The present sources are news only, but in the near future there may be enough scholarly works and research and more info on the group itself. Plus, there are examples of articles like "Dirty Kuffar", which is the same type of article but without any actual acts of violence involved by the Soul Salah crew - they influenced socio-religious trends. They influenced individual terrorists, but so did Bin Laden's speeches, extremist mullahs and propaganda posters in Islamic countries. Its just that a unique, 21st century media was used. Just because Israeli police could nab the group doesn't mean their impact ends there. Similarly, Patrol 35 may have done the same - future research may establish that. It will be a while before this can grow into a "good article", but certainly it deserves presence on Wikipedia. Shiva   (Visnu)  17:37, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. - in the latter part of my reasoning, I am certainly not suggesting that we make assumptions based original research and not-yet-existing sources, but I think a little foresight is advisable. Shiva   (Visnu)  17:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete In general WP is not supposed to be a notice board to post info on bad people we need to keep an eye on. The Southern Poverty Law Center does this in the USA. There is probably something like that in Israel too. We don't need to provide the same service. This group fails WP:Notability. There are murders every day (these guys, nasty as they seem to be, did not kill anyone) and most of them don't get articles. Borock (talk) 00:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
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