Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patty Bartlett Sessions


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The result was   Nom withdrawn, see below. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 03:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Patty Bartlett Sessions

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A midwife who may or may not (sources seem to disagree) have been one of the wives of the mormon founder. Notability is not inherited and being a midwife is not especially notable. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC) Withdrawn see below
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.   —TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions.   —TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. If as the Sedgwick page states, her cabin has been rebuilt as a tourist attraction, and her diaries have been published, that would seem to indicate notability.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment the book has been published, but I don't think that automatically makes her notable. Haven't been able to verify the cabin claims. Is Sedgwick a reliable source? From its web presentation doesn't appear to be, but I'm not too familiar with it to judge. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can necessarily consider that page a reliable source, but if it's true, it ought to be findable elsewhere.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair number of GNews hits mentioning her.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Your link doesn't work for me and mine is name droppings, only one about her. Others just mentioning her. I agree, we should be able to find better sourcing and if we do, I'm happy to withdraw but I haven't been able to find much of anything in Scholar, Books or elsewhere. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed the link. Seems to be the same as yours, but on that first page are an article about a play based on Sessions' life and a lecture on Women in Utah History devoted to Sessions. The story about the sampler exhibit calls her "prominent". The sourcing is definitely out there: we're just not finding it yet.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * She looks notable to me based on the sources I looked at. The current content, however, falls far short of being a decent article and it might be better to stub it down to the lead.  GRBerry 16:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sessions is the subject of at least one chapter of the first book listed here, although I didn't check the rest of the list. Agreed with GRBerry above that the article could stand significant improvement and possibly reduction as indicated above. John Carter (talk) 18:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - I've added several references and cleaned up the article. Her published diaries have been reviewed in several journals and are frequently cited by historians. (I count 21 cites by Google Scholar  and 39 cites by Google Book .) In addition, she's the subject of two published chapter-length biographies (in the references, see the chapters by Rugh (1976) and Smart (1996).)  Thus, she clearly satisfies the criteria of WP:N and WP:BIO of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources.  Because of her diaries, it's clear that historians of early Mormonism and of the settlement of Utah regard her as one of the most important women of that period. BRMo (talk) 03:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn as I said, I'd be happy to withdraw if I was found wrong. While I don't think she would have been known if not for her marriage to the Mormon founder,    * Rugh, Susan (1978), “Patty Bartlett Sessions: More than a Midwife”, in Vicky Burgess-Olson, Sister Saints, Brigham Young University Press, pp. 303–322, ISBN 0842512357 appears to establish notability. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 03:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


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