Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patty Paine


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus defaulting to Keep and w/o prejudice to a future renomination. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Patty Paine

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Article mostly relies on self-published sources. Claim of notability fails WP:NACADEMIC: no awards, no honors, no impact in the field. The article also fails WP:POET: as works have no notable influence. One more thing: per WP:BIO, "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."

With that in mind, setting aside any notion of Google Scholar establishing notability (which is incorrect, as one of my university professors, for instance, should have an article if that alone establishes notability), three articles about a "Patty Paine" appear on Google News: one of which can be immediately discarded, as it's a passing reference regarding a NYC concert event. The second is a note from the blog of the London Review of Books, in 2013: "Patty Paine, who teaches at the campus I did not know Virginia Commonwealth University has in Doha, and edits Diode, an online poetry magazine, pointed me to the site of another zine." The final source is from an Abu Dhabi English-language newspaper, The National, which says that Patty Paine Gibbons, in 2011, is "VCU-Q’s [Virginia Commonwealth University-Qatar] assistant English professor".

I submit that the two references, even when combined, amount to trivial coverage of the subject of this article. As such, in this editor's opinion, the subject of this article is not notable, and the article should be deleted. &mdash; Javert2113 (Let's chat!) 18:32, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 19:01, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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Zsdonald (talk) 15:33, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep--Diode Poetry Journal and Diode Editions are independent and not self-published articles or sources. Paine is the founding Editor-In-Chief of Diode Poetry Journal but the journal also has input from several editors: Jeff Lodge, editor Emeritus and Law Alsobrook, editor/art director. Any links directly to Diode Poetry Journal or Diode Editions are used to establish titles of published works therein. Furthermore, many notable poets already documented within Wikipedia, such as Victoria Chang, Khaled Mattawa, and Kaveh Akbar have been published by Diode Poetry Journal and under the editorial oversight of Patty Paine. The same goes for Diode Editions. For example, Paine served as editor for the book Bright Power, Dark Peace by Brynn Saito and Traci Brimhall, a notable poet already on Wikipedia.
 * WP:POET (WP:AUTHOR):
 * 3. The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
 * a. Patty Paine served as editor for 24 books published through Diode Editions. The books have individually received critical acclaim and been the focus of articles and reviews. For example, Rare Birds by Shelley Wong, was the focus of six reviews from independent sources, as follows:
 * 1)  		https://www.bucknell.edu/west-branch-wired/winter-2018/raena-shirali.html
 * 2)  		https://www.thebind.net/blog/shelley-wong-rare-birds
 * 3)  		https://www.quarterlywest.com/issue-93/orcutt-on-wong/
 * 4)   		http://blog.pshares.org/index.php/my-dress-hangs-there-three-chapbooks-addressing-femininity-reviewed/
 * 5)   		http://plumepoetry.com/2017/04/review-four-reviews-in-brief/
 * 6)   		https://staythirstymagazine.blogspot.com/p/jette-poets-fall-2017.html
 * WP:ACADEMIC:
 * 9. The person is in a field of literature (e.g., writer or poet) or the fine arts (e.g., musician, composer, artist), and meets the standards for notability in that art, such as WP:CREATIVE or WP:MUSIC.
 * a. See evidence for WP:POET (WP:AUTHOR) above.
 * 6. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.
 * a. Patty Paine is CURRENTLY the Interim Associate Dean of Academic Affairs, not an *Assistant Professor.
 * 1)              Interim Associate Dean for Academic Affairs http://www.qatar.vcu.edu/people
 * 1)              Interim Associate Dean for Academic Affairs http://www.qatar.vcu.edu/people
 * "Interim associate dean" is very far from the head of entire university level needed to pass WP:PROF. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:52, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, but Paine still passes WP:ACADEMIC #9 (see evidence above).Zsdonald (talk) 15:57, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The editor  whose username is Z0  12:08, 20 June 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yunshui 雲 水 13:58, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


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