Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul B. Murphy Jr.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was soft delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 01:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Paul B. Murphy Jr.

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I'm not convinced that this is a noteworthy banker because sources barely mentions him or he is giving interviews. Being a CEO of any bank is not an automatic WP:GNG pass and the reviewer deserves some trouting for accepting an UPE submitted draft. Emmanuel Oluwashina (talk) 12:09, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2023 September 12.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 12:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: I see no evidence of paid editing. There were no peacock terms or promotional language in the article as submitted for approval. I can't say that this was or wasn't paid editing - can you?


 * I don't understand on what basis you accused the author on their talk page of paid editing: User talk:Aeonhuskyy.


 * Is creating an article about a CEO now prima facie evidence of paid editing?
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 16:57, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * A red-linked user, with an account less than 6mths old, using perfectly formatted wikicode, yes, that's suspicious. Oaktree b (talk) 20:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Neutral - Where is the notability for finance, etc? We know he held several positions in banking, but so what? For someone in the banking industry, there should be more than just mentions of where he worked here and there. It tells us he's a retired person.  Serving on any corporate board can often mean the person had a friend who brought them aboard - it doesn't tell us what he did on those boards. Being CEO (Chief Executive Officer) is more of an appointed position.  Serving on boards is not necessarily indicative except he had friends who brought him aboard - doesn't say what he accomplished.  — Maile  (talk) 19:53, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The CEO runs the company.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 20:24, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I know what a CEO does. I'm pretty familiar with the banking industry.  CEO is still an appointed position, often appointed by a board of directors. But they're not just figureheads, and should be carrying their own weight. The article essentially says "he got this position, and then he got that position".  So what? I'm not asking for a job profile of any of his positions ... but what his accomplishments were while he held those positions. — Maile  (talk) 20:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll note that our article, Cadence Bank (1887–2021), notes that Cadence Bank in 2020 had assets of $18+ billion (U.S.) and earned half a billion. I don't know about your country but in my country, those are really big amounts of money. 1800 employees. He ran that company for 10 years.
 * Before that, Murphy ran Amegy Bank of Texas of Texas for 9 years. That was an $11 billion bank.
 * Notability does not end when someone retires.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  20:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 15:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm changing my comment above to "Neutral", giving the benefit of the doubt to how this article is written. Where the real flaw is, in my opinion, is that it lists a lot of positions he's held - but it would be more convincing if at each institution it states how each bank benefited specifically from his leadership. Without those accomplishments, this looks like he got his positions because of having the right connections in the industry. — Maile (talk) 18:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment Would probably fall under NBUSINESSPEOPLE, source #5 is what we need, not perfect, but it's an article about the individual. The rest is about what the business does, not about him as a person. Oaktree b (talk) 20:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Problem is, source 5 is an interview. Rest of the sourcing is about Cadence Bank, not about Murphy himself. I can only find photos of him at charity events or the like, nothing for notability. Bank seems notable, not him personally. Oaktree b (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Also created by a red-linked user with no edits outside of this article. Not a smoking gun, but a red flag in AfD. Oaktree b (talk) 20:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.