Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Buchanan (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There are strong arguments against redirecting. No objection to creating a disambiguation page if so desired. Randykitty (talk) 14:38, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Paul Buchanan
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Paul Buchanan

There are two related problems with this sports stub. First, its only source is a database entry, which does not provide secondary coverage. Second, because it only states that he exists (and we knew that from the database entry), it does not even attempt to satisfy general notability. It also does not satisfy the revised cricket notability guidelines. The Heymann criterion is to expand this article within seven days with a reliable source. If someone thinks that sources exist, draftification is a reasonable action. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Cricket,  and Jamaica. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete unless someone can bring the article into compliance with WP:NSPORTS, which says Cullen328 (talk) 17:48, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note, the first deletion debate was about a different person, a boxer of the same name. Cullen328 (talk) 17:50, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of Jamaican representative cricketers Looks not to pass GNG, however there is a suitable redirect here per WP:ATD. I doubt we'd be able to find coverage of him that would suggest a GNG pass with sourcing for West Indian non-internationals of the era limited, but redirecting saves the history if something is found, and probably preferable to draftfying. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:09, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC, prong 5 ("Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources."). Article is a micro stub based solely on a database and fails to cite any SIGCOV. Cbl62 (talk) 22:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The long sanding consensus in cases such as this is to redirect to a suitable list if one is available. This ensures that the attribution, sourcing and so on remain and is per the policy (not guideline) WP:ATD. The chances are that there is at least some offline coverage of the person from when they played cricket, but I would think it unlikely in this case that we're going to be able to find anything in the way of reliable sources over a sensibly short timeframe. A redirect is slightly more complex in this case due to the musician and there may be a need to sort out some page moving and so on first - that would probably have been better discussed ahead of an AfD I imagine, but there you go. Blue Square Thing (talk) 06:31, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Jamaican representative cricketers as a valid WP:ATD. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No to redirecting. Redirecting is not a viable alternative here. Paul Buchanan is an extremely common name. The football player is virtually unknown and far less notable than other Paul Buchanans. For example, there is the Scottish musician and lead singer of The Blue Nile (see here and here). It does our readers a major disservice to redirect them to a list of Jamaican cricketeers when they are far more likely to be searching for the musician. (There is also the boxer who was the subject of the prior deletion discussion here). Cbl62 (talk) 13:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * As I said, there may need to be some page moving involved first. That may warrant a possible dab creation. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting we create a Paul Buchanan (disambiguation) page with one entry on the musician redirecting to The Blue Nile and another for the cricket player redirecting to List of Jamaican representative cricketers. That doesn't sound bad. Cbl62 (talk) 20:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Do not redirect. Instead, make Paul Buchanan a disambiguation page linking to the pages Cbl62 mentions. Stifle (talk) 10:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: BLP without proper sourcing to show notability. No objection to a redirect to a disam page, or another appropriate target.  // Timothy :: talk  11:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.