Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Cromie (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 10:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Paul Cromie
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Nearly four years have elapsed since this article was first nominated and the subject is no more notable now than then. He is a local councillor who has held no higher office and thus fails WP:POLITICIAN. The article is still poorly sourced and seems to rely on a minor news story which falls under WP:NOTNEWS, nor are there any other sources which would lead to him meeting the general notability guidelines. Further to that, none of the arguments advanced for keeping the article in the original AFD are based on policy. To summarise those arguments then and counter them in anticipation of them being made again:

1) "He represents a neo-nazi party" the status of the BNP as a neo-nazi party is hotly disputed, see the endless arguments on that page for more details. Whatever it is, there are no exceptions to notability criteria for members of supposedly neo-nazi parties, they fall under the same notability requirements as everyone else ie coverage in reliable third party sources. The party also has around 60-80 councillors, so there's no specific reason to have an article on this one as he is by no means unique. 2) "the BNP uses him as a mask of respectability" whether that's true or not is irrelevant, it's not our job to counter BNP propaganda. 3) "there are background issues (not yet resolved)" with the benefit of hindsight nothing major or notable seems to have arisen from those background issues, they got a couple of lines in a local paper, but nothing that would meet the kind of notability needed here. Valenciano (talk) 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete The argument for keeping last time was that he succeeded in getting elected councilor, and for someone of his party to succeed in getting elected to anything at all was notable. Considering they've now won two seats in the european parliament, jTis accomplishment is not notable. Nor was he the first councilor elected, which might be notable also --that was  Derek Beackon  in 1993.  DGG ( talk ) 23:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. The thing is, I'm not sure he was truly notable enough then, either. The controversy indicated in the article may have been a good news story, but doesn't appear to have had any lasting impact. Losing elections is, as we know, not a mark of notability (unless done in spectacular fashion, as with the right honorable Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel, who even then merits only a redirect). So, we're left with the 2006 local victory, which does not itself confer notability. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:24, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete - non notable local politician. Snappy (talk) 18:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and Redirect to Bradford West (UK Parliament constituency). Only claim to notability beyond the standard councillor and PPC status is the row over vote buying, which is both a WP:NOTNEWS and covered too locally to be any real claim for wikipedia notability. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 18:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
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